@Hooha12 the armour is bad (functionally little better than the normal Pershing), as is the mobility. The gun is worse than the long 88 on most counts.
I don’t know how I get kills with it.
@Hooha12 Would be an essay.
In summary: enormous time to fighting altitude just to get kicked out by someone with a faster climb rate. That’s only one issue.
@Mrcooldude Exactly. Not exactly worth it.
@avDude4 Most matches are uptiers. It’s how WT works.
@Mrcooldude When your tank costs 200 SL to repair, sure. When it’s a choice between 6k or 6 days to repair (crewed) you change your tune fast.
@Hooha12 The Spershing gets me results but I’m not sure why. It has very little in its favour stats-wise.
@Mrcooldude because if you do you’ll blow up.
You won’t fire a full lod of ammo for the vast majority of tanks. Unless it’s super low capacity or an SPAA, bring partial. You can find information on what ammo racks are filled at what ammo count on the wiki I believe. Newer tanks often model individual shells while older ones did the entire rack as one piece.
For example, I bring, eh, 25 ish rounds in a tiger I which MOSTLY empties the sponsons save one, which was definitely left basically impossible to empty as a nerf.
@Mrcooldude Things get better with APHE. Just remember to not bring a full load, yeah?
@avDude4 the Spershing used to have nothing on the Tiger II except being smaller and, in the rare cases it matters, APCR. While it’s now faster, it’s still slow. Somehow I still do okay with it, though.
T34 is the true counter to the Tiger II, though.
@BOSKnight Maus is fun AF in a downtier.
T32s are also excellent; I got a nuke with one the other day in a 7.7 match.
@Randomplayer You own a BMPT don’t you
@avDude4 Fighting mice in a T34 feels like hunting big game with an elephant rifle in the fields of Africa while wearing a dome-shaped hat. You’re the underdog, but you can still hurt it.
The rest of it is just typical uptier bullshit. C’est la vie.
@RSH10Thunderbeam keep them low, they don’t aid you in any fashion. Only a decent fps and as high a resolution as possible matters.
Idk if any of what I said was useful or not. I’m willing to share more (potentially questionable) advice if needed.
Sorry about the rambling, I’m fairly new to the whole “not being completely useless” thing and I’m trying to both figure out how I did it and how to articulate that “how” to others.
I’m trying to be a bit more specific than the generic “just flank” BS when using tanks with less raw power.
The T-34-85 is, in my opinion, a worse M4 76. It’s not the invincible hellcat with a battleship gun that some people like to act like it is. It’s not that fast, the gun is rather weak, and the armour is useless against actual tanks save the driver hatch and trolly turret face.
All that aside, it can still kick ass. Ask me how I know ;)
@RSH10Thunderbeam ISU-122 should stay at 5.3. Just get the S; it’s 0.3 higher for a reason.
If it’s a Tiger II H (or just Tiger II as it’s called now) I’d say that’s the right call. Assuming it’s front-facing.
The thing about WT is that tactics and play style, even so much as how one handles thus controls, matters a lot.
Do you use headphones? Always use headphones.
How well can you see things on the screen? Is it 1080? Resolution and frame rate (to a point) are the only graphics settings which really matter. 60-90 for fps, as high as you can get for resolution.
Use binoculars religiously. Seriously.
I say all this because figuring out where a T2 is looking is very important. If you know where it’s looking you can figure out if you can expose yourself for a second. If you can expose yourself your a second, you can shoot the track.
That’s the bulk of what you can do head-on: shoot the track. Take control of the situation away. If you’ve good aim, shoot the barrel. If you’re looking down at a slight angle or have the better 85mm shell in the STP(?) or T-44, shoot the cupola.
The cupola needs a somewhat stronger gun, and it is small, but it CAN kill (as I was surprised to learn while using T-44).
Learning weak spots is the difference between trying to kill a Tiger I with APCR in the Jumbo 75 (and most definitely failing), and knowing to just shoot the cupola and annihilate the turret crew.
It’s the difference between trying to immobilize and side shot a Churchill VII with APCR in the KV-1 ZiS-5, or just shooting the angled turret roof and one-shotting it.
All this is to say that while a Tiger II is tough, it’s not unstoppable. Even knocking out the tracks can be the key for an ally with a better gun to roll up and end them.
Tiger IIs are tough. Be grateful in facing them that they had a major mobility nerf and are MUCH slower than they used to be…. Of course, this happened basically as soon as I spaded them so fuck me I guess. Hardly the only time…
Anyways, what do you do when you encounter one?
@RSH10Thunderbeam Hm.
First advice: don’t use a lineup until you have the entire lineup.
Second advice, though this is more controversial: don’t mix lineups unless it’s a lone vehicle (e.g. don’t put two 5.3s in a 5.7 lineup, unless it’s a single 5.0 in a 5.3 lineup).
Economic tip: turn off auto repairs (there is literally zero upside beyond a one-time reward for 20k expended). Seriously, it’s a scam. Also wait to buy tanks until you actually plan to use them in case there’s a sale. This applies to ammo too; turn off auto purchase because you can restock for cheaper in sales.
Now, as for Tiger IIs…
@avDude4 US 6.7 is excellent. Probably one of my favour not-low-tier lineups I’ve played (which admittedly isn’t much, since I only recently reached 8.0… with over 3.5k hours* on Steam).
It seems several people are getting infected at once again. How far have you gotten? 3.0s you said?
Enjoy it while it lasts. The difficulty goes up hard after that. I’d recommend the T-34 1940 as a newbie-friendly 3.3, as it has a well-armoured hull and high post-pen. Should be more forgiving for poor situational awareness and aim.
The Pz. IV F2 and G are also good, BUT are gun tanks, so big on firepower (more pen than post pen) at the expense of meh mobility and subpar armour. Maybe not ideal if you’re still learning to watch your ass.
The M4 75s are incredible, BUT they score very high on what I call Lock-In Potential. That is, unlike for example a KV-2 or IS-2 (which have long reloads and poor gun handling placing a hard cap on how hard you can carry), the Shermans allow you to feed in massive amounts of raw skill to get incredible results. Issue is that you actually need to have skill, so maybe hold off for now. This is doubly true for the 76s; they’re great tanks, but if you’re anything like I was you are going to get you ass kicked and be convinced that German tanks are 300% superior - they’re not, they just have a play style that’s better suited to newer players so seem superior at a glance. German tanks favour hard stats (armour, firepower), while American ones favour (what are in WT’s world) “soft” stats - not maintenance or ergonomics like IRL, but reload rates, gun depression, stabilizers, 50 cals, etc.
Kinda got side tracked there. Uh…
TL;DR: the Big Three have loads of good vehicles, but chances are you’ll have a hard time if you try to use the wrong one with the wrong skill set. Go for tanks are a simpler to use, learn the basics of the game, then go back for the more complicated ones.
Remember: if you ever plan to bitch about another user in a way that might set off automod, and you don’t want discord, you can use that GMail chat feature instead.
@HuskyDynamics01 It’s different. Game chats come and go, but Discord is different. It’s far more permanent, but also generic. Unlike most social media, it’s more personal. Unlike a forum (e.g. SP.com), you’re kinda expected to be using it for many things. Join X’s discord, join Y’s discord, etc.
Not having it sets a very concrete boundary when dealing with people online.
Not only do I not want to join a VC for a game squad, I literally cannot. Stop asking. You’re not that important to me.
Want to contact me over discord for something? Either do it on [insert place where already communicating] or go to hell. We already have a method, do it this way.
It’s an entire mountain of bullshit so easily sidestepped by just not having it. It’s not even a matter of just saying “no” anymore, it’s an impassable wall of “fuck you”, which is so incredibly important nowadays. It’d be asking me to go through the trouble of making accounts and installing apps, which is a silly thing to ask of someone for something so petty.
TL;DR: I will not dare create even the illusion that I hold any sort of universally-applicable social obligation. Everyone I want to talk to online I already can here.
@Mrcooldude taxes not included.
@TheLoadingGorilla Graingy is arctic to our core; our original headquarters was just within the arctic circle. It’s just a delivery (and troubles involving the US government), the climate is nothing.
@Hooha12 That’s one particular BR. Air RB is terrible to its core.
@Hooha12 the armour is bad (functionally little better than the normal Pershing), as is the mobility. The gun is worse than the long 88 on most counts.
I don’t know how I get kills with it.
@Hooha12 Would be an essay.
+1In summary: enormous time to fighting altitude just to get kicked out by someone with a faster climb rate. That’s only one issue.
@Mrcooldude Exactly. Not exactly worth it.
@avDude4 Most matches are uptiers. It’s how WT works.
+2@Mrcooldude When your tank costs 200 SL to repair, sure. When it’s a choice between 6k or 6 days to repair (crewed) you change your tune fast.
@Hooha12 The Spershing gets me results but I’m not sure why. It has very little in its favour stats-wise.
@Monarchii but only jets
@Mrcooldude waste of electricity if you ask me.
@Hooha12 My disagreement is so great that I’m not even going to begin to explain why.
@Boeing727200F tf kinda mods were you running
@Mrcooldude because if you do you’ll blow up.
You won’t fire a full lod of ammo for the vast majority of tanks. Unless it’s super low capacity or an SPAA, bring partial. You can find information on what ammo racks are filled at what ammo count on the wiki I believe. Newer tanks often model individual shells while older ones did the entire rack as one piece.
For example, I bring, eh, 25 ish rounds in a tiger I which MOSTLY empties the sponsons save one, which was definitely left basically impossible to empty as a nerf.
@Mrcooldude Things get better with APHE. Just remember to not bring a full load, yeah?
+1@avDude4 the Spershing used to have nothing on the Tiger II except being smaller and, in the rare cases it matters, APCR. While it’s now faster, it’s still slow. Somehow I still do okay with it, though.
T34 is the true counter to the Tiger II, though.
Damn still on solid shot?
Outside
@BOSKnight Maus is fun AF in a downtier.
T32s are also excellent; I got a nuke with one the other day in a 7.7 match.
@Randomplayer You own a BMPT don’t you
You
@avDude4 Fighting mice in a T34 feels like hunting big game with an elephant rifle in the fields of Africa while wearing a dome-shaped hat. You’re the underdog, but you can still hurt it.
+1The rest of it is just typical uptier bullshit. C’est la vie.
@RSH10Thunderbeam keep them low, they don’t aid you in any fashion. Only a decent fps and as high a resolution as possible matters.
Idk if any of what I said was useful or not. I’m willing to share more (potentially questionable) advice if needed.
Sorry about the rambling, I’m fairly new to the whole “not being completely useless” thing and I’m trying to both figure out how I did it and how to articulate that “how” to others.
@YarisHatchback no posts left?
I’m trying to be a bit more specific than the generic “just flank” BS when using tanks with less raw power.
The T-34-85 is, in my opinion, a worse M4 76. It’s not the invincible hellcat with a battleship gun that some people like to act like it is. It’s not that fast, the gun is rather weak, and the armour is useless against actual tanks save the driver hatch and trolly turret face.
All that aside, it can still kick ass. Ask me how I know ;)
@RSH10Thunderbeam ISU-122 should stay at 5.3. Just get the S; it’s 0.3 higher for a reason.
If it’s a Tiger II H (or just Tiger II as it’s called now) I’d say that’s the right call. Assuming it’s front-facing.
The thing about WT is that tactics and play style, even so much as how one handles thus controls, matters a lot.
Do you use headphones? Always use headphones.
How well can you see things on the screen? Is it 1080? Resolution and frame rate (to a point) are the only graphics settings which really matter. 60-90 for fps, as high as you can get for resolution.
Use binoculars religiously. Seriously.
I say all this because figuring out where a T2 is looking is very important. If you know where it’s looking you can figure out if you can expose yourself for a second. If you can expose yourself your a second, you can shoot the track.
That’s the bulk of what you can do head-on: shoot the track. Take control of the situation away. If you’ve good aim, shoot the barrel. If you’re looking down at a slight angle or have the better 85mm shell in the STP(?) or T-44, shoot the cupola.
The cupola needs a somewhat stronger gun, and it is small, but it CAN kill (as I was surprised to learn while using T-44).
Learning weak spots is the difference between trying to kill a Tiger I with APCR in the Jumbo 75 (and most definitely failing), and knowing to just shoot the cupola and annihilate the turret crew.
It’s the difference between trying to immobilize and side shot a Churchill VII with APCR in the KV-1 ZiS-5, or just shooting the angled turret roof and one-shotting it.
All this is to say that while a Tiger II is tough, it’s not unstoppable. Even knocking out the tracks can be the key for an ally with a better gun to roll up and end them.
Tiger IIs are tough. Be grateful in facing them that they had a major mobility nerf and are MUCH slower than they used to be…. Of course, this happened basically as soon as I spaded them so fuck me I guess. Hardly the only time…
Anyways, what do you do when you encounter one?
@RSH10Thunderbeam Hm.
First advice: don’t use a lineup until you have the entire lineup.
Second advice, though this is more controversial: don’t mix lineups unless it’s a lone vehicle (e.g. don’t put two 5.3s in a 5.7 lineup, unless it’s a single 5.0 in a 5.3 lineup).
Economic tip: turn off auto repairs (there is literally zero upside beyond a one-time reward for 20k expended). Seriously, it’s a scam. Also wait to buy tanks until you actually plan to use them in case there’s a sale. This applies to ammo too; turn off auto purchase because you can restock for cheaper in sales.
Now, as for Tiger IIs…
Maus is fun. Shame it’s not often available.
@avDude4 US 6.7 is excellent. Probably one of my favour not-low-tier lineups I’ve played (which admittedly isn’t much, since I only recently reached 8.0… with over 3.5k hours* on Steam).
*Includes a LOT of AFK.
+1It seems several people are getting infected at once again. How far have you gotten? 3.0s you said?
Enjoy it while it lasts. The difficulty goes up hard after that. I’d recommend the T-34 1940 as a newbie-friendly 3.3, as it has a well-armoured hull and high post-pen. Should be more forgiving for poor situational awareness and aim.
The Pz. IV F2 and G are also good, BUT are gun tanks, so big on firepower (more pen than post pen) at the expense of meh mobility and subpar armour. Maybe not ideal if you’re still learning to watch your ass.
The M4 75s are incredible, BUT they score very high on what I call Lock-In Potential. That is, unlike for example a KV-2 or IS-2 (which have long reloads and poor gun handling placing a hard cap on how hard you can carry), the Shermans allow you to feed in massive amounts of raw skill to get incredible results. Issue is that you actually need to have skill, so maybe hold off for now. This is doubly true for the 76s; they’re great tanks, but if you’re anything like I was you are going to get you ass kicked and be convinced that German tanks are 300% superior - they’re not, they just have a play style that’s better suited to newer players so seem superior at a glance. German tanks favour hard stats (armour, firepower), while American ones favour (what are in WT’s world) “soft” stats - not maintenance or ergonomics like IRL, but reload rates, gun depression, stabilizers, 50 cals, etc.
Kinda got side tracked there. Uh…
TL;DR: the Big Three have loads of good vehicles, but chances are you’ll have a hard time if you try to use the wrong one with the wrong skill set. Go for tanks are a simpler to use, learn the basics of the game, then go back for the more complicated ones.
What is the issue with 6.7 uptiers specifically?
Do you have the full 5.7 lineup?
Welcome back to the pain games, fucker :)
Remember: if you ever plan to bitch about another user in a way that might set off automod, and you don’t want discord, you can use that GMail chat feature instead.
+1@HuskyDynamics01 It’s different. Game chats come and go, but Discord is different. It’s far more permanent, but also generic. Unlike most social media, it’s more personal. Unlike a forum (e.g. SP.com), you’re kinda expected to be using it for many things. Join X’s discord, join Y’s discord, etc.
Not having it sets a very concrete boundary when dealing with people online.
Not only do I not want to join a VC for a game squad, I literally cannot. Stop asking. You’re not that important to me.
Want to contact me over discord for something? Either do it on [insert place where already communicating] or go to hell. We already have a method, do it this way.
It’s an entire mountain of bullshit so easily sidestepped by just not having it. It’s not even a matter of just saying “no” anymore, it’s an impassable wall of “fuck you”, which is so incredibly important nowadays. It’d be asking me to go through the trouble of making accounts and installing apps, which is a silly thing to ask of someone for something so petty.
TL;DR: I will not dare create even the illusion that I hold any sort of universally-applicable social obligation. Everyone I want to talk to online I already can here.
He just like me
He just like me fr
@Monarchii fascinating
@Mrcooldude vile
@SPairforce yep. Pain.
@Mrcooldude taxes not included.
@TheLoadingGorilla Graingy is arctic to our core; our original headquarters was just within the arctic circle. It’s just a delivery (and troubles involving the US government), the climate is nothing.
@Rjenteissussy So surely you came to understand it
+1@Mrcooldude $50, since it’s Louisiana and nobody wants to go there unless paid handsomely.
hi
FT fuckery.
@Rjenteissussy Hard to tune what you cannot understand.
Nice
+1Deleted or banned?
@TheMouse Spelling error detected, sticky traps deployed.
@Monarchii Huh. News to me. Could be handy.
How’s it implemented?
@Monarchii the what?
@Monarchii Right. Forgot about the faster response times.
@Mrcooldude depends where you are.
@Mrcooldude Hi here I’m Grain
@Monarchii the alternating yellow and black.
@Monarchii true
@Mrcooldude if you buy one maybe
@ToroInoue what?