@AviationLoverGEEK444 delta wings and tailless designs aren't tied to a specific timeframe, look at the nazis if you have to
The MBT-70 can be it's own pack of worms, though you're claiming utter superiority on a tank with less weight, proving use of weaker materials, which makes most of it negligible to begin with, but then tack on this modification with almost completely paper changes, that don't increase weight, making it therefore weaker, especially the better armor
@AviationLoverGEEK444 delta wing technologies / tailless designs aren't limited to a timeframe, yk
@AviationLoverGEEK444 that can be a can of worms in and of itself, however, yours has -5,000lbs but is somehow stronger in every way (save for autoloader speed)
^ Forgot the site doesn't tag replied to comments, woops
@AviationLoverGEEK444 more firepower < lighter materials
You can artificially extend the propellant of a round, but that adds weight, that doesn't exist here, meaning the round is now made with a lighter material or less material, making it more prone to accidents or potential ammo explosions, putting the crew in more danger and once more, making everything else negligible
It is much harder for tanks to correctly fire while on the move, especially at a moving target. All the stabilizer adds is gun control while braking, which is once more negligible as the other tank would either have already stopped or would be moving
@AviationLoverGEEK444 also, to be noted, there is once more no weight increase between the two of them, meaning that no matter how much better everything is, it's significantly weaker and once more, negligible
@AviationLoverGEEK444 a standard 7.62 round has maybe 9-30mms of penetration, meaning that your 1000 is actually somewhere between 90 and 300mms, once more, making said armor negligible
@AviationLoverGEEK444 so by that logic, 1000mms of pen would be entirely negligible as it takes around 15 round from a 7.62 minigun to penetrate (due to armor decay from continuous hits) and disable the tank?
@voytek I'm just running Umbra so that I can make schtuff without having to worry about geopolitics and whoever wants this lake or not, but I'd happily buy a few to protect our factories lol
@AviationLoverGEEK444 once again, the fact it has the same weight as before says that you replaced the armor with aerogel, and the 1000mm+ is now entirely negligible
@AviationLoverGEEK444 except, the weight remained the same, the part count remained the same, the performance cost stayed the same, and there is no noticeable difference in the visual model
The only difference is in overload numbers, that magically don't change anything
There is 0 real ingame difference between this and the mk1, just btw, not even the weight change that would've occured from the modifications
Extra armor: +Weight
Stronger engine: +Weight
@AviationLoverGEEK444 I'm not part of this fight, but btw, the armor on the most modern of tanks equals only around 800mms in the most important spots, with APFSDS only penning around 700mms at perfect conditions
There is no way your engines can handle the weight that comes with several thousand milimeters of armor, those engines would be breaking down either within a mile or wouldn't have the fuel economy to be plausible in high quantities, and even if they did have a decent fuel economy and weren't destroying themselves, your tanks would only he hitting 5mph max
@SPWithLizzie guitars were my autistic interest for a while (ans still somewhat are) so I memorized the brands
I'm ambidextrous but I prefer right handed guitars
@SPWithLizzie I'm good lol
Halo is good but they're moreso tailored for like really good players, I only know about them cause Kevin Sherwood uses their Octavia 8
Schecter is much cheaper
@SPWithLizzie both electric, ones a Fender Player Stratocaster and the other is a Schecter C-1 Platinum
Both 6-string too, I wanna get an 8 string but nobody sells the head I want (Inline 6+2) and the only place I can get a guitar like that is Halo Customs, which'd knock me $4k so I'll prob just build one or suck it up and buy a Schecter C-8 Deluxe
@SPWithLizzie they'd definitely get a few kicks out of that one but I'll have to Bounce pretty quickly or they might Hypnotize me and make me Dance like a Deer
Also
Weirdly
Steal This Album is like a mimetic hazard or something for me
No matter what, it leaves my brain immediately
Like, if you asked me what album I-E-A-I-A-I-O is from I'd prob say Toxicity
Like, I remember their cover of Shame but I cannot remember the STA for the life of me
@SPWithLizzie my friend who bought me the CD I'm pretty sure they have most SOAD vinyls or at least CDs
There's a moozik store in the downtown area of my city that has a buncha the schtuff, I plan to go back and buy either Skeletá or Impera from them soon, and prob some SOAD
@RB107 Umbra Arms Corporation works, I'm doing it kinda like yours
(Or just Umbra, technically the name is in French but I'm just gonna use the english name most of the time)
@BOSKnight most WWII Allied Amphibious tonks have Gen I stab (see T86 or LVT-A1) but post war stuff like the XM800T have more advanced stab, tho idk when that was made
@AviationLoverGEEK444 which generation of a stabilizer would it be considered IRL?
These aren't the actual ranges afaik but here
Gen I: stab up to ~10-15mph
Gen II: stab up to 20-30mph
Gen III: stab up to 40mph
Gen IV: 40mph+
@AviationLoverGEEK444 ik the KE-RP world lore is different, but IRL it was seen on the T-34 and M4 Shermans (up to 76/85mms) so stabilizers aren't exactly advanced, just more modernized
@BOSKnight tbf, the stabilizer can be foregone because firing on the move becomes exponentially harder no matter what and modern stabilizers (like on the Leo or Abrams) are only good up to 40mph
The APFSDS is what's most important
@BOSKnight realistically, that LFP is probably comparable to that of the VT5, and that UFP likely has less total milimeters of protection but is less likely to be penned due to its angle
There is a lot of distance between the front plate and driver's ports, so I'd assume there's either more armor or the fuel tanks are held up there
Gun calibre is likely between 90mm and 120mms
@BOSKnight okay so extremely flawed
@BOSKnight is it a fully automatic loader or could a crewmember theoretically hand-load it?
+1@AviationLoverGEEK444 yeah, the Condor isn't special in that field, do you see where this is going?
@AviationLoverGEEK444 also, some more proof
1 year more than what it is currently (1951)
@AviationLoverGEEK444 and? Realistically, your Mk2 is weaker than the Mk1
Also, further proof the Condor isn't exactly radical
@AviationLoverGEEK444 delta wings and tailless designs aren't tied to a specific timeframe, look at the nazis if you have to
The MBT-70 can be it's own pack of worms, though you're claiming utter superiority on a tank with less weight, proving use of weaker materials, which makes most of it negligible to begin with, but then tack on this modification with almost completely paper changes, that don't increase weight, making it therefore weaker, especially the better armor
@AviationLoverGEEK444 delta wing technologies / tailless designs aren't limited to a timeframe, yk
+1@AviationLoverGEEK444 that can be a can of worms in and of itself, however, yours has -5,000lbs but is somehow stronger in every way (save for autoloader speed)
^ Forgot the site doesn't tag replied to comments, woops
@AviationLoverGEEK444 more firepower < lighter materials
+1You can artificially extend the propellant of a round, but that adds weight, that doesn't exist here, meaning the round is now made with a lighter material or less material, making it more prone to accidents or potential ammo explosions, putting the crew in more danger and once more, making everything else negligible
It is much harder for tanks to correctly fire while on the move, especially at a moving target. All the stabilizer adds is gun control while braking, which is once more negligible as the other tank would either have already stopped or would be moving
@AviationLoverGEEK444 also, to be noted, there is once more no weight increase between the two of them, meaning that no matter how much better everything is, it's significantly weaker and once more, negligible
@AviationLoverGEEK444 a standard 7.62 round has maybe 9-30mms of penetration, meaning that your 1000 is actually somewhere between 90 and 300mms, once more, making said armor negligible
@voytek sure, but I'm pretty much just making stuff for Kei and BOS rn
Oh, and the only nation left is currently getting invaded lol
@AviationLoverGEEK444 so by that logic, 1000mms of pen would be entirely negligible as it takes around 15 round from a 7.62 minigun to penetrate (due to armor decay from continuous hits) and disable the tank?
@voytek I'm just running Umbra so that I can make schtuff without having to worry about geopolitics and whoever wants this lake or not, but I'd happily buy a few to protect our factories lol
@AviationLoverGEEK444 once again, the fact it has the same weight as before says that you replaced the armor with aerogel, and the 1000mm+ is now entirely negligible
+1@AviationLoverGEEK444 except, the weight remained the same, the part count remained the same, the performance cost stayed the same, and there is no noticeable difference in the visual model
+2The only difference is in overload numbers, that magically don't change anything
@AviationLoverGEEK444 and not plausibly at that
+1There is 0 real ingame difference between this and the mk1, just btw, not even the weight change that would've occured from the modifications
Extra armor: +Weight
Stronger engine: +Weight
@AviationLoverGEEK444 I'm not part of this fight, but btw, the armor on the most modern of tanks equals only around 800mms in the most important spots, with APFSDS only penning around 700mms at perfect conditions
+2There is no way your engines can handle the weight that comes with several thousand milimeters of armor, those engines would be breaking down either within a mile or wouldn't have the fuel economy to be plausible in high quantities, and even if they did have a decent fuel economy and weren't destroying themselves, your tanks would only he hitting 5mph max
@BOSKnight yeah, but like, they sold it to Sweden and now I have to use it to research rank V and it sucks
+1Very stronk
@BOSKnight but like, British tanks suck
I will never forgive the British for making the Charioteer or Centurion
@SPWithLizzie yeah, my profile explains it
+1@BOSKnight the UK is cool and all but like, whabout Germany or Sweden or Finland or France
@BOSKnight i also never have, though I really want to leave this country
+1@SPWithLizzie ooooo okay, didnt know that
@SPWithLizzie ooo alright
@BOSKnight I use postimages cause Kei had shown it to me, but I'll swap to gifyu
@SPWithLizzie still tho
Buyeah
Those da things
@SPWithLizzie oop sorry
@BOSKnight it's been a lil bit since I last played but my mouth is not in the condition to start now lol
+1@BOSKnight oh yeah that too
+1@SPWithLizzie later on, I wanna say it was 2 years ago when I started trying to write with my left hand
Also
Here's a pic of my guitars
@SPWithLizzie guitars were my autistic interest for a while (ans still somewhat are) so I memorized the brands
I'm ambidextrous but I prefer right handed guitars
@SPWithLizzie I'm good lol
Halo is good but they're moreso tailored for like really good players, I only know about them cause Kevin Sherwood uses their Octavia 8
Schecter is much cheaper
@SPWithLizzie both electric, ones a Fender Player Stratocaster and the other is a Schecter C-1 Platinum
Both 6-string too, I wanna get an 8 string but nobody sells the head I want (Inline 6+2) and the only place I can get a guitar like that is Halo Customs, which'd knock me $4k so I'll prob just build one or suck it up and buy a Schecter C-8 Deluxe
@SPWithLizzie oh no I have it here, I tune it myself (I also have 2 guitars)
+1@SPWithLizzie oooo all I know on Enter Sandman is the intro, which I cant play well now because my guitar is in DGCGBE tuning rn
+1@SPWithLizzie man last time they put a needle in my hand I woke up in a forest doing a little shimmy
+1Also
What kinda guitar you got?
@SPWithLizzie they'd definitely get a few kicks out of that one but I'll have to Bounce pretty quickly or they might Hypnotize me and make me Dance like a Deer
+1Also
Weirdly
Steal This Album is like a mimetic hazard or something for me
No matter what, it leaves my brain immediately
Like, if you asked me what album I-E-A-I-A-I-O is from I'd prob say Toxicity
Like, I remember their cover of Shame but I cannot remember the STA for the life of me
@SPWithLizzie my friend who bought me the CD I'm pretty sure they have most SOAD vinyls or at least CDs
There's a moozik store in the downtown area of my city that has a buncha the schtuff, I plan to go back and buy either Skeletá or Impera from them soon, and prob some SOAD
@SPWithLizzie oh hell yeah
Iiiiii only have one piece of physical moozik and it's a CD of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
@SPWithLizzie WHEN YOU LOSE SMALL MIND YOU FREE YOUR LIFEEE
+1@RB107 ty :3
+1I originally thought of the name while listening to Umbra by Ghost (real original ik)
@RB107 Umbra Arms Corporation works, I'm doing it kinda like yours
+1(Or just Umbra, technically the name is in French but I'm just gonna use the english name most of the time)
@BOSKnight most WWII Allied Amphibious tonks have Gen I stab (see T86 or LVT-A1) but post war stuff like the XM800T have more advanced stab, tho idk when that was made
+1@AviationLoverGEEK444 which generation of a stabilizer would it be considered IRL?
+1These aren't the actual ranges afaik but here
Gen I: stab up to ~10-15mph
Gen II: stab up to 20-30mph
Gen III: stab up to 40mph
Gen IV: 40mph+
@AviationLoverGEEK444 ik the KE-RP world lore is different, but IRL it was seen on the T-34 and M4 Shermans (up to 76/85mms) so stabilizers aren't exactly advanced, just more modernized
@BOSKnight tbf, the stabilizer can be foregone because firing on the move becomes exponentially harder no matter what and modern stabilizers (like on the Leo or Abrams) are only good up to 40mph
+1The APFSDS is what's most important
@BOSKnight pretty much in terms of design, but with a turret comparable to the Strv 74 (NOT IN TERMS OF PROTECTION BUT DESIGN!)
@BOSKnight realistically, that LFP is probably comparable to that of the VT5, and that UFP likely has less total milimeters of protection but is less likely to be penned due to its angle
+2There is a lot of distance between the front plate and driver's ports, so I'd assume there's either more armor or the fuel tanks are held up there
Gun calibre is likely between 90mm and 120mms
@BOSKnight then vehicles and shiz you shall receive
@AviationLoverGEEK444 fair
+1The Mk4E has a set that's attached to a small fuselage piece, if you want to make that a sub-assembly btw