@SimplyElegant
The aircraft isn't VTOL nor STOVL, since it requires a runway to takeoff and cannot lift off vertically, and while it can land vertically technically, you're also fighting physics and hoping to whatever god you believe jn that you can keep it upright, until you finally go beneath its stall speed and determine whether its landing on the gear or flipping over
.
Its STOL at best, STOVL not exactly and VTOL not at all
The V-173 theoretically could be STOVL capable, but the XF5U isn't
@TheRLAF
I dont really mind not being mentioned, nor do I really care that I wasnt since Im not really active anymore (sorry it came off rude when I said it at first ><)
Im not someone you need to apologize to, sure we had our issues and spats in the past, but ive moved on from all that, and I have to apologize for how I acted with all of it too
Its was like John F Kennedy or smth that said in the Pentagon "those who are stuck in the past are certain to miss the future" or smth, idk, all I remember was killing a fuckton of zombies
@SimplyElegant @CessnaIsCool
1. Average trumpet player
2. Bass parts are boring asf but are so necessary
3. But trombone parts are schnasty asf and so insanely great
4. Im months late to this
@BluesynVN
@Ntheleader
Im not really returning, SP2 gave me a short burst to test some of my planes in SP2 but all them just kinda felt icky in the new game except a few
Im not planning on new posts until SP2 tbh
Id say yes, as long as the Fishish military has some level of oversight over the operations of the company, and we would request to put one of our generals on the board that oversees deployments of the sort, so that we can classify AMFK under our military umbrella, ensuring that AMFK doesnt violate the treaties Fishland are a part of. Alongside this, AMFK would be working alongside Umbra. We know your intentions with this are friendly as well, though we do reserve the right to limit any potential overreach, which we still feel is unlikely, but best to be safe
Other than that, AMFK is allowed to operate autonomous military forces in Fishland, provided they follow the same or similar rules to the Umbra Corporate Fleet
@B1 yeah, sometimes my brain stops functioning when thinking of those 5 countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland) and I completely forget which is which
Never Sweden or Finland though, only the other 3
@B1 I was thinking of Norway lol, for some reason my brain thought Denmark bordered Sweden on the left for a moment there lol
(I got the names mixed up)
@B58D
This post is incredibly outdated btw, if you want to know the more recent map and territories, go here
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Look thru the taglist to see what nation's exist currently, then go to the map and look at their colors and current places
I dont think there's really anywhere unclaimed currently, other than maybe Denmark
What ever happened to the color coding I mentioned? Ik you said it uses the same hex as the original map, but many nations and territories have since been added, and the original KE-RP post is out of date in that regard
Its easier to tell with the major nations and the ones that havent been warmongering for the past 30 years due to their main territory being their IRL counterpart, but I feel it gets messy in knockoff Europe and southeast Asia / Oceania
Also alongside this, the map highlights a lot of supply chain issues that should be occurring when they aren't, but who tf cares honestly
That part counts a little... evil :3
Nevertheless, this is beautiful, and probably one of the most faithful recreations of the F-15 on the site given the aforementioned part count
@WotWfan the Hispano mod is just a remodel of the base gun and was made several years back, this mod adds new models that have their own respective code behind how they function, which is why it cant be ported to mobile
In other words
This needed to modify the original game to work, the Hispano didn't
@RB107
Hey can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
One large uhm espresso, just as many shots as you can put in a large, no coffee, no creamer, just straight espresso :3
@B1BLancer
"Erm, the captain of the Otani, Mr James Bob, saw seventeen YP soldiers killing a bear with a flammenwerfer and they killed half the population in swisherman" that kinda thing
@B1BLancer see, I would direct intelligence to you, but I dont believe in the concept of making up things other countries didn't do just to get pissed at them, so while our secretary general will be attending alongside our field marshalls, they are ultimately indignant to the whole situation and will not be providing much
Fishland is ultimately staying neutral in this whole situation, as while we condemn the actions of Your-Pan, economically and militarily we cannot engage in conflict
The Fishish Navy will send out several Freya class SAR ships for the purpose of ensuring the safety of civilians. 4 deck 155mm artillery turrets are installed on each ship for defense, but other than that, there is no artillery-based weaponry, and only air defense weaponry on board
Other than the SAR ships for civilian transport and the safe evacuation of refugees, Fishland will not be getting involved
(For the ships I am talking about, see SAR-19 Otani Amaterasu)
@B1BLancer
The original deadline was not impossibe (like I said, I completely agree that Unwanted is being difficult asf rn), I was saying that you giving him 30 minutes was an impossible deadline for him, as afaik he cannot use the site past 10PM EST
@B1BLancer
I dont disagree that he is being difficult, I'm just raising the point that you're giving him an impossible deadline currently, and actively shortening the prior deadline by an hour (I dont remember if you specified the time zone but you said by Friday, and it is currently not Friday here
*nvm, I see the EST now
@KorKaiorWhatever
Everything about that situation was confusing, and I assumed you were going along with bellands no longer being a nation due to things like the Meriko
@Unwanted
Scorched Earth I'm pretty sure is still in violation of the Valencia Accords, but I may be wrong
@AviationLoverGEEK444
Like Unwanted said, blocking you means that he cant engage with your country in KE, and vice versa, which throws a complete wrench in a lot of the rp, so if you want him to block you so badly, just block him yourself
@B1BLancer am I correct with the scorched earth policy? (Article I and Article XI is where I get that from)
(And also, once again I'm staying neutral in this, just bringing things up to people rq)
@Unwanted
Also btw, Yourpanese F-18s do not have the same limitations of the Foxhound and Fox (Fishland's name for their variant of the F-18) as the Yourpanese F-18 uses mostly YP tech, as opposed to Fishland's which is entirely Umbra tech
@Unwanted
5 miles is the intended operating range (i assume that's not too far, but whaddoiknow), their true range is unknown as Umbra's current radar systems cannot reliably feed information to missiles past 6.5 miles, which is why the AEM-6 experiment featured an onboard radar that allows the missile to track targets on its own withing 1 mile (hence ARH-ish) but it requires the radar of the plane to still be painting the target area to "see"
I'll have to test in a moment, but I'd say they're best represented by either the AIM-7C or AIM-7D
(Their range would be less but similar to the ATAM-10s ig)
They're medium range; beyond clear visible range, but the pilot still must see the plane
@Unwanted
Not exactly (primarily because I didn't want you to be mad at their use) cause they have somewhat different seekers (just faster lock times, which is realistic-ish to IRL but also for the sake of gameplay)
@Unwanted
On the Pr.AC04-N
You should've been tagged, if not I'll go tag you there
(I wrote the AEM-6 as ARH but they aren't exactly btw, I'll explain it if you'd like)
@Unwanted
Then yes, outlaw that
On the note of II though
Would Fishland/Umbra be losing the AEM-5/6 series? Both are considered medium range and aren't exactly the greatest, but losing them sets Fishland back a lot
@B1BLancer the reason why I dont want to sanction harder is because while we dont condone much of the actions, we're also a very small nation, and if we lose Umbra we lose our entire defense industry (despite that i control Umbra, I still have to take into account it's split between 3 nations, and Your-Pan has the biggest industry of those 3)
@Unwanted
Ohhhhh, well that also depends on the way that's made
If it's meant for a commander to control, and it has the reasonable restrictions, or its in tandem with the turret (look at the Moderna) it's okay-ish, but if it's entirely remotely controlled then yeah, that's an issue
Personally:
1. Yes-ish, it depends on your definition. If you mean like what's on the T90 or VT4A1, yes, but if you just mean the roof mounted MG without a commander model, no
2. Domestic yes, purchased no. But, does Fishland get to keep the AEM-5/6 series in that regard? (Which btw, is a production of Umbra, a company that is split between 3 nations)
3. No, T-90 style yes but not entirely (see Sweden in the 1940s)
4. Idk what that means
5. Yes
@Unwanted
No, we're outlawing the export of Surströmming to Your-pan
This will deeply upset the local S-candy-naval-ia population, but only during the spring, which is not currently
(Im required to declare sanctions of some caliber as per the Valencia Accords, however that's as severe as i intend to be)
I'm putting sanctions on Surströmming for the time being, as the Fishish Government feels that in inflicting sanctions, the Umbra Arms Corporation will be split and the Your-Panese branch could possibly break off from the main corporation
@KorKaiorWhatever
Maybe that's why it comes off that way, because of its overall infamy, but that doesnt change that looks wise, it comes off that way
If everybody recognizes the A-10 cause big f*cking gun, then that turns it into a symbol, a symbol of friendly fire incidents and civilian casualties, sure, but a symbol nonetheless, which makes the aircraft, while maybe not imposing on its own, come off so much more violent and scary
But then that's getting into anthropology, so yeh
@KorKaiorWhatever
Oh no, it's not beautiful by any means, I meant that the beauty comes from how imposing it looks
Like the nose of the MiG-29 or Su-27 series looks really imposing, and just makes the planes really sleek but also kinda scary yk? Like the A-10 isn't scary to other pilots, but seeing it from the ground fills pretty much anybody with dread, NATO/UN soldiers and civilians alike
And nah, it was rather cause he had forsaken me in his eyes
@KorKaiorWhatever
I think the A-10 looks cool in the sense of how imposing it looks, but that requires the mouth
A clean A-10 looks goofy
And it mightve been because I commended my spirit into his hands
@KorKaiorWhatever
1. Because I wanted to
2. Ngl the A-10A. While it looks cool and is iconic, the A-10 was notorious for friendly fire incidents during desert storm and isn't really useful when the country it's attacking has actual air defense systems
@Unwanted
thank you :3
@SimplyElegant
The aircraft isn't VTOL nor STOVL, since it requires a runway to takeoff and cannot lift off vertically, and while it can land vertically technically, you're also fighting physics and hoping to whatever god you believe jn that you can keep it upright, until you finally go beneath its stall speed and determine whether its landing on the gear or flipping over
.
Its STOL at best, STOVL not exactly and VTOL not at all
The V-173 theoretically could be STOVL capable, but the XF5U isn't
@SimplyElegant
The XF5U is in no way a Vertical Take-Off and Landing capable aircraft, STOL yes, VTOL no
VTOL?
@TheRLAF
I dont really mind not being mentioned, nor do I really care that I wasnt since Im not really active anymore (sorry it came off rude when I said it at first ><)
Im not someone you need to apologize to, sure we had our issues and spats in the past, but ive moved on from all that, and I have to apologize for how I acted with all of it too
Its was like John F Kennedy or smth that said in the Pentagon "those who are stuck in the past are certain to miss the future" or smth, idk, all I remember was killing a fuckton of zombies
@SimplyElegant
Idrm, im not active here anymore, nor dirc tbh
@SimplyElegant @CessnaIsCool
1. Average trumpet player
2. Bass parts are boring asf but are so necessary
3. But trombone parts are schnasty asf and so insanely great
4. Im months late to this
@KorKaiorWhatever
Why couldn't he tag us himself?
@BluesynVN
+2@Ntheleader
Im not really returning, SP2 gave me a short burst to test some of my planes in SP2 but all them just kinda felt icky in the new game except a few
Im not planning on new posts until SP2 tbh
Id say yes, as long as the Fishish military has some level of oversight over the operations of the company, and we would request to put one of our generals on the board that oversees deployments of the sort, so that we can classify AMFK under our military umbrella, ensuring that AMFK doesnt violate the treaties Fishland are a part of. Alongside this, AMFK would be working alongside Umbra. We know your intentions with this are friendly as well, though we do reserve the right to limit any potential overreach, which we still feel is unlikely, but best to be safe
+1Other than that, AMFK is allowed to operate autonomous military forces in Fishland, provided they follow the same or similar rules to the Umbra Corporate Fleet
@B1 yeah, sometimes my brain stops functioning when thinking of those 5 countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland) and I completely forget which is which
Never Sweden or Finland though, only the other 3
@B1 I was thinking of Norway lol, for some reason my brain thought Denmark bordered Sweden on the left for a moment there lol
(I got the names mixed up)
@B58D
This post is incredibly outdated btw, if you want to know the more recent map and territories, go here
.
Look thru the taglist to see what nation's exist currently, then go to the map and look at their colors and current places
I dont think there's really anywhere unclaimed currently, other than maybe Denmark
What ever happened to the color coding I mentioned? Ik you said it uses the same hex as the original map, but many nations and territories have since been added, and the original KE-RP post is out of date in that regard
+1Its easier to tell with the major nations and the ones that havent been warmongering for the past 30 years due to their main territory being their IRL counterpart, but I feel it gets messy in knockoff Europe and southeast Asia / Oceania
Also alongside this, the map highlights a lot of supply chain issues that should be occurring when they aren't, but who tf cares honestly
That part counts a little... evil :3
+1Nevertheless, this is beautiful, and probably one of the most faithful recreations of the F-15 on the site given the aforementioned part count
@avDude4
Once again, I know the reason why, I just find it being 7 to be funny
@avDude4
+1There's no problem, I was asking why 7 cause that's irregular for aircraft hardpoints
@KorKaiorWhatever
I knew that
Pancake
Also
Why 7?
@WotWfan the Hispano mod is just a remodel of the base gun and was made several years back, this mod adds new models that have their own respective code behind how they function, which is why it cant be ported to mobile
In other words
This needed to modify the original game to work, the Hispano didn't
@Aero72
Likely lol, I havent been posting like at all anymore ><
Missiles have hit boxes too since they're just parts, if you aim hard enough you can destroy them just like any other part
New usernames every month it seems like
@RB107
+1Hey can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
One large uhm espresso, just as many shots as you can put in a large, no coffee, no creamer, just straight espresso :3
If I see that truck delivering my mail I might just have to try eating lead, I hear its good for the bones
@B1BLancer
You should put our colors by our names in the taglist and pin those comments (if youre able to ofc)
@B1BLancer
"Erm, the captain of the Otani, Mr James Bob, saw seventeen YP soldiers killing a bear with a flammenwerfer and they killed half the population in swisherman" that kinda thing
@B1BLancer see, I would direct intelligence to you, but I dont believe in the concept of making up things other countries didn't do just to get pissed at them, so while our secretary general will be attending alongside our field marshalls, they are ultimately indignant to the whole situation and will not be providing much
+3Fishland is ultimately staying neutral in this whole situation, as while we condemn the actions of Your-Pan, economically and militarily we cannot engage in conflict
The Fishish Navy will send out several Freya class SAR ships for the purpose of ensuring the safety of civilians. 4 deck 155mm artillery turrets are installed on each ship for defense, but other than that, there is no artillery-based weaponry, and only air defense weaponry on board
+1Other than the SAR ships for civilian transport and the safe evacuation of refugees, Fishland will not be getting involved
(For the ships I am talking about, see SAR-19 Otani Amaterasu)
@B1BLancer
The original deadline was not impossibe (like I said, I completely agree that Unwanted is being difficult asf rn), I was saying that you giving him 30 minutes was an impossible deadline for him, as afaik he cannot use the site past 10PM EST
@B1BLancer
+1I dont disagree that he is being difficult, I'm just raising the point that you're giving him an impossible deadline currently, and actively shortening the prior deadline by an hour (I dont remember if you specified the time zone but you said by Friday, and it is currently not Friday here
*nvm, I see the EST now
@B1BLancer
He literally cannot respond until tomorrow morning, that wasnt a "he cant respond right now", that was a "he cannot respond at all"
@B1BLancer
+1Unwanted currently cannot respond
Just worth noting
@KorKaiorWhatever
Everything about that situation was confusing, and I assumed you were going along with bellands no longer being a nation due to things like the Meriko
@Unwanted
Scorched Earth I'm pretty sure is still in violation of the Valencia Accords, but I may be wrong
@AviationLoverGEEK444
Like Unwanted said, blocking you means that he cant engage with your country in KE, and vice versa, which throws a complete wrench in a lot of the rp, so if you want him to block you so badly, just block him yourself
@B1BLancer am I correct with the scorched earth policy? (Article I and Article XI is where I get that from)
(And also, once again I'm staying neutral in this, just bringing things up to people rq)
@Unwanted
Also btw, Yourpanese F-18s do not have the same limitations of the Foxhound and Fox (Fishland's name for their variant of the F-18) as the Yourpanese F-18 uses mostly YP tech, as opposed to Fishland's which is entirely Umbra tech
@Unwanted okay so yeah, is 6.5-7.5 range okay?
@Unwanted
5 miles is the intended operating range (i assume that's not too far, but whaddoiknow), their true range is unknown as Umbra's current radar systems cannot reliably feed information to missiles past 6.5 miles, which is why the AEM-6 experiment featured an onboard radar that allows the missile to track targets on its own withing 1 mile (hence ARH-ish) but it requires the radar of the plane to still be painting the target area to "see"
I'll have to test in a moment, but I'd say they're best represented by either the AIM-7C or AIM-7D
(Their range would be less but similar to the ATAM-10s ig)
They're medium range; beyond clear visible range, but the pilot still must see the plane
@Unwanted
Not exactly (primarily because I didn't want you to be mad at their use) cause they have somewhat different seekers (just faster lock times, which is realistic-ish to IRL but also for the sake of gameplay)
@Unwanted
On the Pr.AC04-N
You should've been tagged, if not I'll go tag you there
(I wrote the AEM-6 as ARH but they aren't exactly btw, I'll explain it if you'd like)
@Unwanted
Then yes, outlaw that
On the note of II though
Would Fishland/Umbra be losing the AEM-5/6 series? Both are considered medium range and aren't exactly the greatest, but losing them sets Fishland back a lot
@B1BLancer the reason why I dont want to sanction harder is because while we dont condone much of the actions, we're also a very small nation, and if we lose Umbra we lose our entire defense industry (despite that i control Umbra, I still have to take into account it's split between 3 nations, and Your-Pan has the biggest industry of those 3)
@Unwanted
Ohhhhh, well that also depends on the way that's made
If it's meant for a commander to control, and it has the reasonable restrictions, or its in tandem with the turret (look at the Moderna) it's okay-ish, but if it's entirely remotely controlled then yeah, that's an issue
Personally:
+21. Yes-ish, it depends on your definition. If you mean like what's on the T90 or VT4A1, yes, but if you just mean the roof mounted MG without a commander model, no
2. Domestic yes, purchased no. But, does Fishland get to keep the AEM-5/6 series in that regard? (Which btw, is a production of Umbra, a company that is split between 3 nations)
3. No, T-90 style yes but not entirely (see Sweden in the 1940s)
4. Idk what that means
5. Yes
@Unwanted
No, we're outlawing the export of Surströmming to Your-pan
This will deeply upset the local S-candy-naval-ia population, but only during the spring, which is not currently
(Im required to declare sanctions of some caliber as per the Valencia Accords, however that's as severe as i intend to be)
I'm putting sanctions on Surströmming for the time being, as the Fishish Government feels that in inflicting sanctions, the Umbra Arms Corporation will be split and the Your-Panese branch could possibly break off from the main corporation
@KorKaiorWhatever
Maybe that's why it comes off that way, because of its overall infamy, but that doesnt change that looks wise, it comes off that way
If everybody recognizes the A-10 cause big f*cking gun, then that turns it into a symbol, a symbol of friendly fire incidents and civilian casualties, sure, but a symbol nonetheless, which makes the aircraft, while maybe not imposing on its own, come off so much more violent and scary
But then that's getting into anthropology, so yeh
@KorKaiorWhatever
Oh no, it's not beautiful by any means, I meant that the beauty comes from how imposing it looks
Like the nose of the MiG-29 or Su-27 series looks really imposing, and just makes the planes really sleek but also kinda scary yk? Like the A-10 isn't scary to other pilots, but seeing it from the ground fills pretty much anybody with dread, NATO/UN soldiers and civilians alike
And nah, it was rather cause he had forsaken me in his eyes
@KorKaiorWhatever
I think the A-10 looks cool in the sense of how imposing it looks, but that requires the mouth
A clean A-10 looks goofy
And it mightve been because I commended my spirit into his hands
@Unwanted
Depends how off looking you mean, are we talking cube plane or cursed plane?
@KorKaiorWhatever
1. Because I wanted to
2. Ngl the A-10A. While it looks cool and is iconic, the A-10 was notorious for friendly fire incidents during desert storm and isn't really useful when the country it's attacking has actual air defense systems
@Unwanted
thank you :3