@Dracul0Anderson I see. Well, if you feel like there are potentially major changes you would like to have made. Do them now. There is a slight chance I would have to extend the deadline due to certain circumstances in real life that will limit me being able to get to the results handing out by 16th.
@AndrewGarrison I have a favor to ask... I need help with something big that's in progress right now.
Is there any way I can connect with you/mods/anyone who kind of makes big decisions over at jundroo?
@ToeTips now if you say that making a better generation than what already is the current best is hard, then congratulations, you figured out the point of the challenge. There's 15 days and 10 hours left, I personally think of the few people I've interacted with, your among the ones I think have a fair shot, or at the very least, an exciting new build for everyone to check out.
Then there's also the plus point that whatever submissions come here gets automatically sent to a group discord with 8 members.
And I've been thinking of something else... I don't think I can publicly talk about that one at all just yet though.
@ToeTips doesn't matter. The Changes required from 5th to 6th gen is...
Well
Make a better 5th gen... That's... That's actually all. Also, maybe cut the vertical tail for coolness factor...
@ToeTips handed out the participation award for that. Noticed it's quite far from the current criteria, focusing mostly on Flight perfomance only in forward flight and not really a stealth design or 6th gen like. Will you just keep it at this or do you think you want to give it a few changes here and there? Because you're clearly VERY experienced with Stealthy designs when it comes to planform alignment and so on (I personally actually thought your advanced hornet would've gotten you a better chance provided it had VTOL and cut the vertical stabilizers).
Either way, your current submission is really good as a stand alone plane, but it has a lot of potential changes you can quickly make to recover a lot of points that you might currently lose. (I'm really only telling you this because you seem like you can actually take a fair shot at a podium position or atleast be a runner up)
@UltravioletBlood @TheMouse @wahl
BIGGG update and changes. You have helpful forum posts now linked along with some links to a sources and stuff. There's also now a countdown and an update to the rules and style. Im circulating this post again now. Around 15 days lefts, let's see what people can pull of with all the new help as well.
@StockPlanesRemastered because if you can't read them at all then that's not a size problem... I can definitely read it, I'm on phone. I had some checks with a few other people before even putting those up. And it can't be a network issue unless you have under 3-5mbps
Still, I'll try to make sure the font is bigger next time. Furthermore, there is already a section where I'm using ordinary text. It's just WIP.
@wahl yes. Maybe you can be excused of permission if
1) they don't respond
2) its been used by the community numerous times before
3) things like PlanariaLab's HUD are completely excused because the original ceator have express permission
dwiangaska takes some parts from Guyfolk's planes and I don't think he puts the credits in the descriptions anymore IIRC because a lot of people use those parts. I'm an example. I do mention it, because I almost always depend on them
@wahl you'll lose a few points for not being stealth under D3 and B1, But no, other than a few points lost, there is no problem if it isn't stealth and you are confident the other ability can make up for it
To support this, certain types of warfare can still make things like close rang maneuvering prove vital. The SU-57, though highly controversial due to competition, is undoubtedly better than most 4.5 gens and outdoes them. There's a reason why it exist, granted in small numbers. So yeah
@TheMouse not much points, especially seeing as you're crediting, but do play around with the values little because this from my testing is oscillation prone if you don't test it right... Other than that, you're completely free to use it without any point deduction!
Heavens, I made it public hoping people would use it without crediting me.
@Wasifhero3 @Dracul0Anderson You two seemed like you'd be interested in the new criteria updates. If there's any questions regarding them, please let me know!
(the new pinned comments has some rough details)
Some major visual changes. more coming soon. Minor changes to criteria wording but it all means mostly the same thing so no deadline updates. helpful websites will be linked soon.
@Dracul0Anderson not 6th gen, but rumor has it Russia wants to make it's own 5Th gen VTOL. Also, you're going to need a successor to the F-35 program eventually. Now whether that means it'll have manned air superiority or unmanned E-warfare, I couldn't tell you. But there is definitely a use case scenario somewhere in the world for a stealth VTOL, and for all we know, confidential developments may be already taking place
@Dracul0Anderson heck yeah I do. It's the toughest part of the challenge. Even VTOL would be okay. Don't worry, we'll go a little more lenient on that one. You lose only 3-4 points if you go up to 15-16 G's instantaneous... But from there and above, you start losing points quick.
@windshifter1 sorry for replying late, been a little busy. I have discord up for those who volunteered to help.LE click to join or friend request me @galaxiesdontsleep That is if you have discord. If not, i'll just keep you in the loop using the comments here. Recently because of 6 other volunteers, not considering you, I was able to raise the bar to 120 upvotes and 5 spotlights (the spotlights are tentative. We don't yet know if we can pull that one off.)
Prize pool raised to 120. Page revamp coming soon. Stay updated. Tag me on this comment and type "E" if you want continued updates on any potential changes.
@wahl true. Very true. Winning is kind of a lucky thing to be honest, what this really is, what I am trying to do here is make onle last swan song for a game that kept me company for over half a decade.
@Wasifhero3 it has to be a fighter if you want a chance to earn points because a lot of categories here are for a military aircraft. Read them.
There's no exception for civilian aircraft in the rules, so you can technically go ahead and do that... You'll get your 20 upvotes from me... But it'll stand out. I'll be uploading some helpful tools at 20 days left to aid in development and speed things up a little.
@Dracul0Anderson I had not even originally thought about spotlights. I think it's 1 spotlight per 5 minutes. It's doable for me. I think 4-8 spotlights just from me is possible for the main prize... Provided I can actually do that.
@windshifter1 no. It doesn't disqualify you. I don't have to worry about self promotion since that's by default not allowed. If you use an alt, I'll hold you accountable for breaking Rule 8 which prohibits any type of cheating and disqualify on that basis.
I'll start a discord server by tomorrow for the people who have volunteered to upvote. Over Time, after that, I may be able to increase the upvote prize, but I'll have to discuss that with you all.
@SupremeDorian I'll prerequisite with this --- I'll never myself abuse the system.
Now, that said, the irony of that whole ordeal is that the rules for the site don't state that you are not allowed to use alts to help other players. It has a clear rule stating against Upvoting yourself but nothing for Upvoting someone else. So even if I went through with that plan, I'd have all the reasons to defend myself this time around.
But massive respect to you for confirming that we'll in advance. I appreciate that. Helps with the clarity... I'll just really REALLY have to setup that discord and get whoever those 5 are (I don't remember everyone's names) and just start the discussion of how we go about this and if everyone will have the time.
@Graingy again, true. At the end of the day, the super hard challenge is meant for those who want to test their experience.
The easy challenge is mustering up the courage to make and submit something and get some value out of it... And maybe hype up simpleplanes two a little. This is likely going to be the last big challenge for Simpleplanes 1
@SupremeDorian I did though? And I'm not going to be using alts either way. I've gathered 5 volunteers to help, and even if they don't help, I'm ready to do it alone, all by myself, one account. Besides, @Skyjaythefirst has fully confirmed he's definitely in on this.
Also, to support the claim of asking mods before uploading the challenge, check here I tagged Crazyplaness once. And after that, tagging any mod became redundant since volunteers came out and said they'd help instead.
@Graingy huh? If you have sub assemblies that you can take from your own previous planes that already have the complex spaghetti codes already written (Exhibit A - Controls surfaces, Engines, cockpit setups) then that's going to save you shit ton of time.
@Graingy fair point on that, one again. But I've thinking about criteria based prizes too... So if you're one particular category is good, then a bonus of 30 upvotes, so 50. But I can't confirm that yet
@DeeganWithABazooka GO ALL ON BROTHER. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT.
Also, I'm probably going to revamp this page a little to look better and account for all those spelling errors.
No major changes in rules and regulations though.
@Dracul0Anderson nope. That's going to be its own thing. I want to make this for discussion with upvoted boards, a place for players to share progress and maybe chat a little after the challenge ends and the anticipation for the results build. The forum post that will cover the strengths and weaknesses is going to be independent.
@11qazxc actually, frick the adding text, I'll do that, but I'll also work on revamping all those images AND keeping the size low. These current images really need a revamp. I mean, they look okay, but don't match with the theme and need a rework. I'll probably keep all the rules and words the exact same- add one or two clarifications, more imagery about what kind of jet we looking for, such and such. All details that won't affect what players have already started working on. Also, let me know if you want to join a discord server specifically for this challenge
When you said vector engines I was confused. I thought you meant seperate engines just for pitch vector control. If you meant thrust vectoring nozzles like on the F-22, then, of course, those are absolutely allowed!
And encouraged too. You cant really outdo an F-22 without outdoing it's engineering.
@Dracul0Anderson I see. Well, if you feel like there are potentially major changes you would like to have made. Do them now. There is a slight chance I would have to extend the deadline due to certain circumstances in real life that will limit me being able to get to the results handing out by 16th.
+1@MA2211CwCABaerospace anytime brother, anytime.
+1@AndrewGarrison I have a favor to ask... I need help with something big that's in progress right now.
Is there any way I can connect with you/mods/anyone who kind of makes big decisions over at jundroo?
@ToeTips now if you say that making a better generation than what already is the current best is hard, then congratulations, you figured out the point of the challenge. There's 15 days and 10 hours left, I personally think of the few people I've interacted with, your among the ones I think have a fair shot, or at the very least, an exciting new build for everyone to check out.
Then there's also the plus point that whatever submissions come here gets automatically sent to a group discord with 8 members.
And I've been thinking of something else... I don't think I can publicly talk about that one at all just yet though.
@ToeTips doesn't matter. The Changes required from 5th to 6th gen is...
Well
Make a better 5th gen... That's... That's actually all. Also, maybe cut the vertical tail for coolness factor...
@ToeTips handed out the participation award for that. Noticed it's quite far from the current criteria, focusing mostly on Flight perfomance only in forward flight and not really a stealth design or 6th gen like. Will you just keep it at this or do you think you want to give it a few changes here and there? Because you're clearly VERY experienced with Stealthy designs when it comes to planform alignment and so on (I personally actually thought your advanced hornet would've gotten you a better chance provided it had VTOL and cut the vertical stabilizers).
Either way, your current submission is really good as a stand alone plane, but it has a lot of potential changes you can quickly make to recover a lot of points that you might currently lose. (I'm really only telling you this because you seem like you can actually take a fair shot at a podium position or atleast be a runner up)
@UltravioletBlood @TheMouse @wahl
BIGGG update and changes. You have helpful forum posts now linked along with some links to a sources and stuff. There's also now a countdown and an update to the rules and style. Im circulating this post again now. Around 15 days lefts, let's see what people can pull of with all the new help as well.
@StockPlanesRemastered because if you can't read them at all then that's not a size problem... I can definitely read it, I'm on phone. I had some checks with a few other people before even putting those up. And it can't be a network issue unless you have under 3-5mbps
Still, I'll try to make sure the font is bigger next time. Furthermore, there is already a section where I'm using ordinary text. It's just WIP.
+1@StockPlanesRemastered is it too small... Or just not loading in?
@Nuugett You'll lose a few points. That's all.
@wahl yes. Maybe you can be excused of permission if
1) they don't respond
2) its been used by the community numerous times before
3) things like PlanariaLab's HUD are completely excused because the original ceator have express permission
dwiangaska takes some parts from Guyfolk's planes and I don't think he puts the credits in the descriptions anymore IIRC because a lot of people use those parts. I'm an example. I do mention it, because I almost always depend on them
+1@wahl you'll lose a few points for not being stealth under D3 and B1, But no, other than a few points lost, there is no problem if it isn't stealth and you are confident the other ability can make up for it
To support this, certain types of warfare can still make things like close rang maneuvering prove vital. The SU-57, though highly controversial due to competition, is undoubtedly better than most 4.5 gens and outdoes them. There's a reason why it exist, granted in small numbers. So yeah
@TheMouse not much points, especially seeing as you're crediting, but do play around with the values little because this from my testing is oscillation prone if you don't test it right... Other than that, you're completely free to use it without any point deduction!
+1Heavens, I made it public hoping people would use it without crediting me.
@Wasifhero3 @Dracul0Anderson You two seemed like you'd be interested in the new criteria updates. If there's any questions regarding them, please let me know!
(the new pinned comments has some rough details)
@UltravioletBlood @wahl @TheMouse
New Update
Some major visual changes. more coming soon. Minor changes to criteria wording but it all means mostly the same thing so no deadline updates. helpful websites will be linked soon.
@Dracul0Anderson not 6th gen, but rumor has it Russia wants to make it's own 5Th gen VTOL. Also, you're going to need a successor to the F-35 program eventually. Now whether that means it'll have manned air superiority or unmanned E-warfare, I couldn't tell you. But there is definitely a use case scenario somewhere in the world for a stealth VTOL, and for all we know, confidential developments may be already taking place
+2@Dracul0Anderson heck yeah I do. It's the toughest part of the challenge. Even VTOL would be okay. Don't worry, we'll go a little more lenient on that one. You lose only 3-4 points if you go up to 15-16 G's instantaneous... But from there and above, you start losing points quick.
+1@windshifter1 okay, just use the hyperlink then. or again, shoot me friend request.
@windshifter1 sorry for replying late, been a little busy. I have discord up for those who volunteered to help.LE click to join or friend request me @galaxiesdontsleep That is if you have discord. If not, i'll just keep you in the loop using the comments here. Recently because of 6 other volunteers, not considering you, I was able to raise the bar to 120 upvotes and 5 spotlights (the spotlights are tentative. We don't yet know if we can pull that one off.)
Youve been improving a lot
+1Prize pool raised to 120. Page revamp coming soon. Stay updated. Tag me on this comment and type "E" if you want continued updates on any potential changes.
+2@wahl true. Very true. Winning is kind of a lucky thing to be honest, what this really is, what I am trying to do here is make onle last swan song for a game that kept me company for over half a decade.
@X99STRIKER it is. Thank you. Any name with a striker instantly sounds cool too. Even better if it's a brother who's kind like that xD
Just Tagged everyone who volunteered with the help or was interested in me making a discord.
@mobilebuilder21
@11qazxc
@MIGFOXHOUND31BSM26
@DrakonDynamics
@Wasifhero3 it has to be a fighter if you want a chance to earn points because a lot of categories here are for a military aircraft. Read them.
There's no exception for civilian aircraft in the rules, so you can technically go ahead and do that... You'll get your 20 upvotes from me... But it'll stand out. I'll be uploading some helpful tools at 20 days left to aid in development and speed things up a little.
@ToeTips it has to be a successor
+1@ToeTips lucky you then... But once again, that's 1/4th points gone.
Still, I wish you the best, brother. Im excited to see the final result!
@ToeTips post that, and get no points in D4 and B2. So 200 points Nerf :>
@Dracul0Anderson I had not even originally thought about spotlights. I think it's 1 spotlight per 5 minutes. It's doable for me. I think 4-8 spotlights just from me is possible for the main prize... Provided I can actually do that.
@windshifter1 no. It doesn't disqualify you. I don't have to worry about self promotion since that's by default not allowed. If you use an alt, I'll hold you accountable for breaking Rule 8 which prohibits any type of cheating and disqualify on that basis.
I'll start a discord server by tomorrow for the people who have volunteered to upvote. Over Time, after that, I may be able to increase the upvote prize, but I'll have to discuss that with you all.
+1@Dracul0Anderson before you get around uploading it, pass it over as an unlisted to me so I can take some pictures for you.
@Dracul0Anderson 😶
+1Jesus Christ... Okay.
@SupremeDorian I'll prerequisite with this --- I'll never myself abuse the system.
Now, that said, the irony of that whole ordeal is that the rules for the site don't state that you are not allowed to use alts to help other players. It has a clear rule stating against Upvoting yourself but nothing for Upvoting someone else. So even if I went through with that plan, I'd have all the reasons to defend myself this time around.
But massive respect to you for confirming that we'll in advance. I appreciate that. Helps with the clarity... I'll just really REALLY have to setup that discord and get whoever those 5 are (I don't remember everyone's names) and just start the discussion of how we go about this and if everyone will have the time.
+1@Graingy again, true. At the end of the day, the super hard challenge is meant for those who want to test their experience.
The easy challenge is mustering up the courage to make and submit something and get some value out of it... And maybe hype up simpleplanes two a little. This is likely going to be the last big challenge for Simpleplanes 1
@SupremeDorian I did though? And I'm not going to be using alts either way. I've gathered 5 volunteers to help, and even if they don't help, I'm ready to do it alone, all by myself, one account. Besides, @Skyjaythefirst has fully confirmed he's definitely in on this.
Also, to support the claim of asking mods before uploading the challenge, check here I tagged Crazyplaness once. And after that, tagging any mod became redundant since volunteers came out and said they'd help instead.
+2@Graingy huh? If you have sub assemblies that you can take from your own previous planes that already have the complex spaghetti codes already written (Exhibit A - Controls surfaces, Engines, cockpit setups) then that's going to save you shit ton of time.
@Graingy or lots of saved sub assemblies... Which I actually don't discourage taking sub assemblies at all and doesn't affect points in any way.
@FordEscort id love to join in and help on the videos if that ever happens. Could make some reallllyyyy cool shots
@Graingy fair point on that, one again. But I've thinking about criteria based prizes too... So if you're one particular category is good, then a bonus of 30 upvotes, so 50. But I can't confirm that yet
@Graingy good point... But you get repaid in me taking time judge your craft and credit you for what you did good, and criticise what can be better
@Graingy who said?
You can make a really bad plane and get 20 upvotes for basically free AND get criticism... What are you losing?
@DeeganWithABazooka GO ALL ON BROTHER. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT.
Also, I'm probably going to revamp this page a little to look better and account for all those spelling errors.
No major changes in rules and regulations though.
@TheUltimatePlaneLover all the best! Excited to see what you come up with.
@TheBoeingEngineer Wrong. There are 5 other actual people who'll help with the upvotes
@Dracul0Anderson nope. That's going to be its own thing. I want to make this for discussion with upvoted boards, a place for players to share progress and maybe chat a little after the challenge ends and the anticipation for the results build. The forum post that will cover the strengths and weaknesses is going to be independent.
@11qazxc actually, frick the adding text, I'll do that, but I'll also work on revamping all those images AND keeping the size low. These current images really need a revamp. I mean, they look okay, but don't match with the theme and need a rework. I'll probably keep all the rules and words the exact same- add one or two clarifications, more imagery about what kind of jet we looking for, such and such. All details that won't affect what players have already started working on. Also, let me know if you want to join a discord server specifically for this challenge
+1@JSTQ sorry! I'm big on science fiction and speculative fiction... So I thought it was that, my bad!
+1@JSTQ wait, do you mean thrust vector engines?
When you said vector engines I was confused. I thought you meant seperate engines just for pitch vector control. If you meant thrust vectoring nozzles like on the F-22, then, of course, those are absolutely allowed!
And encouraged too. You cant really outdo an F-22 without outdoing it's engineering.
+1