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#PrayForJT610

13.3k MrWarPac  11 months ago

With the deepest sadness, of the aviation world. an accident was happened today involving one of the newest boeing 737 Max 8 (REG : PK-LQP) which has been flying with Lion Air from mid August this this year (2018). This accident killed all the people onboard (189). This airplane was scheduled to fly from soekarno hatta airport, to pangkal pinang airport. the airplane took off from Soekarno Hatta Airport at 6.33 this morning (29 oct 2018 // GMT +7) then the atc lost the contact with the airplane 13 minutes later (around 6.50)
Later the fragments of the aircraft body was found around the sea in karawang waters, a clue that led the fact that the aircraft was already crashed. SAR team has been deployed to find the victims of the accident and found some teared body parts, alot of bags, and identity cards. some moment later in the day, the team said that they've already found the black box location, even though they don't know exactly where it is but its in their monitor.the team is currently doing investigation. so lets pray for all the victims and their family, hoping that they will be there in a better place.

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    Good job southwest for grounding their max 8 i was on a max 8 it did not crash

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    1,085 SaturnV

    @PlanesOfOld ya

    11 months ago
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    41.1k PlanesOfOld

    @SaturnV I don't know about you but I would rather fly in a plane that does not use any fancy control systems, wire is more reliable than electronics or hydraulics.

    11 months ago
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    41.1k PlanesOfOld

    @SaturnV The thing about old seaplanes is that they were relatively slow, and they almost always flew at a very low altitude.
    It would take longer for people to go from A-B but seaplanes are comfortable and spacious. It would be like going on a flying cruise ship. Also, seaplanes don't normally use fly-by-wire so you won't suddenly lose control if the electrics fail.

    11 months ago
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    7,251 Remote

    Holy crap when I saw a thumbnail for DJ's aviation's video. I thought another one just accidentally rolled into the water like that one meme. I never thought something like this happened. R.I.P. to all

    11 months ago
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    With every crash come Allec Joshua Ibay. May they rest in peace. Hopefully these kind of things will never happen again...

    11 months ago
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    1,085 SaturnV

    @ForeverPie oh

    11 months ago
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    oh my goodness

    11 months ago
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    86.8k ForeverPie

    @SaturnV My school ironically had a bomb threat yesterday and today.

    11 months ago
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    1,085 SaturnV

    @BoeyingOfficial Yup, the pilot mentioned that the MFD was unreadable. But that can not cause it to crash. The previous flight that took of before it also had some weird erratic takeoff climb. But it climbed and JT610 plumitted. So I assuming they had an MFD issue, but the pilot having 1000+ hours, know not to be distracted my instruments. So I think due to the two flights having the same erratic flight, there was some weather anomaly.

    11 months ago
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    Wow, it's amazing what I learn from the forums.

    11 months ago
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    1,030 aplayer

    Many government people died on this incident, at least 21 people from the finance ministry died 3 Prosecutors and 1 prosecutor's staff also died

    +1 11 months ago
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    Than it’s gotta be something with the autopilot or instruments. @SaturnV

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    1,085 SaturnV

    @PlanesOfOld What if the sea plane dived into the water like JT610? Putting floats on a plane wont save it from a -7500 ft/min. I see that it could be safer if it ever flipped on the water though

    +1 11 months ago
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    1,085 SaturnV

    @ForeverPie @BoeyingOfficial It cannot be a hydraulic failure. Cause the 737 was built that even without a RAT (ram air turbine) and loss of hydraulic power it could be controlled through mechanical linkages. The B737 flight controls are hydraulically powered.
    There are three hydraulic systems: System A, System B, and Standby. Only one main system (A or B) is required for hydraulically flying the aircraft, during normal operation, they are both operational.
    The two main hydraulic systems have an Engine Driven Pump (EDP), which can continue delivering hydraulic pressure when the associated engine is windmilling. All three hydraulic systems are also powered by their own Electric Motor Driven Pump (EMDP).
    In the case of dual engine failure, the APU can power the electrical systems for the EMDPs, still delivering full hydraulic power.
    If the fuel has run out and the APU cannot operate, two batteries provide at least 60 minutes of backup power for the electrical systems. The EDMPs can be powered in this stage, however, they provide a high load.
    If all fuel is gone and the batteries are depleted, the aircraft can be flown by hand, directly overcoming the aeroforces by pulling hard! This is called manual reversion.
    In manual reversion, the aileron trim tabs now function as geared tabs, assisting in overcoming the aeroforces. Elevators will have high aeroforces, high friction forces, and free play around a center point. Stabilizer trim wheels provide additional pitch control. The rudder has no manual reversion. Plus if the hydraulics did fail, the aircraft cannot plummet so suddenly like that. On FlightRadar24, it showed the 737 descending at -7500ft/min. I don't think this issue has to do with the plane. I fear worse happened, and I really hope its not this. I think you know what I may be thinking that happened...

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    13.3k MrWarPac

    @TheMutePaper nice one

    +1 11 months ago
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    41.1k PlanesOfOld

    And this is why we need to use seaplanes for air travel.

    It sounds like there was a mechanical fault that caused the pilots to lose control .

    Still no matter how unlikely it would be to find survivors they should still keep looking instead of giving up all hope.

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    1,030 aplayer

    And before the plane lost contact with the ATC, the pilot says to ATC there where mechanical damage make the pilot want return to Soekarno-Hatta airport but it was too late. The plane crashed in a sharp dip down (not yet clarified further by the investigation team) and was destroyed, there were two fishermen who claimed that he heard an explosion in the water around 6.30 (GMT + 7). The fishermen is helping SAR to search JT610 plane

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    Wow, that's so sad!

    +2 11 months ago
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    I love how I learn more about this kind of stuff on SimplePlanes than on the actual news XD

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    But it went straight down @Jetpackturtle

    +1 11 months ago
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    Water landings are never as harmless as they sound in the safety videos.

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    Yeah, I saw it too but it was 100 knots above speed restrictions so I think they needed the engines to steer. Like Jal 123. Lion is known for it’s bad maintenance so maybe it had an incident, wasn’t repaired properly and the dameged part got loose and destroyed the hydraulics@jamesPLANESii

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    My dad looked at it on flight tracker and by the looks of it it rapidly gained altitude and stalled.

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    81.9k MrSilverWolf

    @BoeyingOfficial ok so it is a max, that sucks, yeah hopefully there isn't a huge issue with the max then

    +1 11 months ago
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