@Boeing727200F Incredible. I assume your lightning fast replies are the product of telepathy?
@Ashdenpaw1 no. bad.
@tetozz Impressive. I doubt I could touch that.
@ThomasRoderick
Lines get blurred once sides get taken.
Large. 1x2m-ish.
Walking and bicycle tunnels can address weather concerns (especially important in hot regions).
It is absolutely an evil to use unnecessarily as it is a TERRIBLE form of transport, one that's inefficient and incredibly dangerous to everyone, that's best avoid absolutely wherever can be made practical. It needs to be discouraged, which means it needs to become in no uncertain terms inferior 99% of the time. Hopefully by making other travel means better, but also, in certain areas, making driving everywhere more difficult. Removing free parking would be a start (so long as the alternative is already in place).
Perhaps. Cars would be an end-point-only thing, ideally. Using a large train to take them 90% of the way would be quite desirable.
@YishFish42 J:NO. Not SR2.
I hate the name "Juno: New Origins", but it's so far disconnected from SR it's silly to use the same name.
Haven't uploaded in ages. Can't play anymore. Steam wiped my files for no reason and I can't trust it not to do it again.
@YishFish42 First version ofhis got deleted by warpy keyboard... god fucking damnit.
Anyways, Juno just seems kinda soulless. No brands (as far as I'm aware), no characters, land is ugly AF, and it's a bit too sandboxy (e.g. location saves, like SP) to really have stakes like KSP did in getting places.
Will the new propeller engines mean we'll also get new stock craft? Boy, there's gonna be a lot!
Add in the old ones (pls pls pls) and there'll be a lot for new players to do even without downloading or building anything! New instructions/descriptions with a bit of history about them could be good for some of the older stock craft (e.g. original Pigpen, saying it's an old SP1 craft predating VR and the like).
Advanced stock craft, like SP2's and the SPVR ones, are cool and all, but it's important to give new players something a bit more accessible to use as a model (after all, even SP2's simplest stock craft were made by very experienced players). The old stock craft, pre and post fuselage, are excellent for this since everyone has them.
I recognise that Jundroo may be reluctant to keep around the less flashy and glamorous of SP's assets since they don't look as nice in the advertisements, but it's important to both remember where the game came from and also to, y'know, have actual SIMPLE planes.
If we're getting superchargers, will we also get turbochargers? IIRC the P-47 was basically built around a giant turbocharger, giving it the jug shape it's nicknamed for.
I should hope that cylinder limits can be overridden with Overload. I want a 300 cylinder radial and I want it now!
... Unless this game has a heat mechanic? Probably not.
@Boeing727200F I realize now that it's made worse by the fact that Gravatar is really blurry, meaning that the almost-pixel-art appearance of MS paint turns into a mess of blended colours without the intended contrast visible.
Now that I think of it, an anime-style drawing someone had posted a bit ago (weeks? idk) that I'd advised to be moved to Gravatar for loading reasons looked just fine even in the default 256 resolution...
Funny, that. Guess some things are better suited to the blurring that others.
@ThomasRoderick All online discussions inevitably transform into increasingly long-form arguments.
I can see those being dragged on a large wagon without too much issue, unless they're incredibly heavy.
The fact you have to account for cars in any substantial quantity at all. And when everyone needs a car, everyone needs parking. That is a massive sacrifice in cities. Most people should be able to get by without driving.
Yes, miniature rail would probably only work for fewer, larger things...
A few mountains can go kaput without that much bad stuff happening I'm sure. Unless a lot of dangerous isotopes are created by the radiation... Earthquakes would hardly be an issue, even massive landslides don't do all that much in regards to seismic waves.
Genuinely Japan is fucked.
Japan needs to go further, basically. More trains!
3m rail gauge or bust. Trains being too narrow is why tanks can't get any bigger; it's why the Maus is so narrow (despite still being incredibly wide). It all comes back to trains.
@Jmestes So why would someone bother downloading this instead of putting two parts together themselves?
Not to disparage, but you're better off spending time on things more... useful. Unique.
@ThomasRoderick How large are these carboard boxes? Could they even fit inside a car? Chances are they could be pulled on a cart.
Perhaps, but then you have to make sacrifices elsewhere. Alternatively, delivery services are much better nowadays. Under the assumption that American-style suburbs have been nearly entirely phased out, perhaps a miniature guage railway could perform deliveries. If that's too unreliable, you could use drones (which would present much less potential disaster than trying to bring a whole person to a store and back with a flying car).
This ain't 1850 anymore. Terrain isn't nearly so great a restriction as it used to be. If a mountain needs to be blasted away so a large-gauge railway can avoid sharp turns, so be it. Unfortunately those nuclear test bans also include tests for pure-fusion explosives, so there's a lot of lost time to make up for there...
Japan is hardly a role model. Their transit is notoriously overcrowded, to say nothing of how strict they are with timelines because of it (and the disasters this has caused). Japan needs far, far more transit.
To be real, I do not view Japan favourably, but that is neither here nor there.
@Boeing727200F Alright there's no getting this any better. I'm calling it quits.
I was inspired by that post the other day with the helicopter and ill-fitted helmet, along with your trench warfare on WPlace, to parody the Two-Thousand-Yard Stare. Y'know, the painting used in the PTSD soldier meme. It didn't really turn out all that great.. Ew. Could not get that expression down.
In any case, I tried. If I have to do this again I am going to kill somebody.
@ThomasRoderick
"Specialist" here basically means "used only sometimes for specific duties". For example, if you need to move furniture you can rent/take out a truck.
Perhaps. Though I reckon it's better to restock many smaller stores (for everyday items) using a few trucks than have to put up with one massive story with many cars. Alternatively, make it so the one massive store can be easily and quickly reached every few days so people don't need to do large shopping trips.
I will never stop advocating that rail gauge needs to be increased. The more tracks are built to that tiny ~1.4m standard the deeper this problem becomes. A bigger standard NEEDS to be adopted, at least for major lines. Personally I'd put 3m as ideal. The current gauge is probably the single biggest logistically limiter around in regards to how big things can be. Everything else can be made bigger, except when trains are involved. Trains are great, but they are FAR too small at present.
As for wagons, more meant personally things like like those folding fabric ones some people have.
Transit certainly can't do everything (I admitted as much myself earlier), but they can do a lot more than often credited.
@jamesPLANESii Have you considered using electronic pulses? That's what I do.
Granted, I should probably learn to use more output points, but that's difficult so I'm staying with five.
@ThomasRoderick True. Individual vehicles are specialist, however. Additionally, it's better to have a grocery system that doesn't require long distance travel to begin with.
Also, larger (read: wider) rail cars could alleviate much of the space issues to begin with. Additionally, if stations can be made wheelchair accessible I see no reason they couldn't accommodate something akin to a wagon.
D:
@AndrewGarrison If I knew you'd be saying so much I'd have brought some stone tablets to inscribe upon!
@eggstick Perplexing. Truly, these are the problems of the modern era.
@eggstick There's a joke in here that I'm not going to make because it's not my style.
@Boeing727200F Incredible. I assume your lightning fast replies are the product of telepathy?
+1@Ashdenpaw1 no. bad.
@tetozz Impressive. I doubt I could touch that.
@ThomasRoderick
Lines get blurred once sides get taken.
Large. 1x2m-ish.
Walking and bicycle tunnels can address weather concerns (especially important in hot regions).
It is absolutely an evil to use unnecessarily as it is a TERRIBLE form of transport, one that's inefficient and incredibly dangerous to everyone, that's best avoid absolutely wherever can be made practical. It needs to be discouraged, which means it needs to become in no uncertain terms inferior 99% of the time. Hopefully by making other travel means better, but also, in certain areas, making driving everywhere more difficult. Removing free parking would be a start (so long as the alternative is already in place).
Perhaps. Cars would be an end-point-only thing, ideally. Using a large train to take them 90% of the way would be quite desirable.
@Ashdenpaw1 Smashing the keyboard does not count.
@YishFish42 J:NO. Not SR2.
I hate the name "Juno: New Origins", but it's so far disconnected from SR it's silly to use the same name.
Haven't uploaded in ages. Can't play anymore. Steam wiped my files for no reason and I can't trust it not to do it again.
@PlaneFlightX Damn, that's impressive.
@32 On a phone!? Wow. I'd be surprised if I could breach 30 with even 70% accuracy. Hate touchscreens...
Also just, still, J:NO controlled too differently to feel good both in flight and designer.
@YishFish42 First version ofhis got deleted by warpy keyboard... god fucking damnit.
Anyways, Juno just seems kinda soulless. No brands (as far as I'm aware), no characters, land is ugly AF, and it's a bit too sandboxy (e.g. location saves, like SP) to really have stakes like KSP did in getting places.
@Superliner350 That would be good. Doesn't J:NO have ship propellers?
+3Never touched them myself...
Will the new propeller engines mean we'll also get new stock craft? Boy, there's gonna be a lot!
Add in the old ones (pls pls pls) and there'll be a lot for new players to do even without downloading or building anything! New instructions/descriptions with a bit of history about them could be good for some of the older stock craft (e.g. original Pigpen, saying it's an old SP1 craft predating VR and the like).
Advanced stock craft, like SP2's and the SPVR ones, are cool and all, but it's important to give new players something a bit more accessible to use as a model (after all, even SP2's simplest stock craft were made by very experienced players). The old stock craft, pre and post fuselage, are excellent for this since everyone has them.
I recognise that Jundroo may be reluctant to keep around the less flashy and glamorous of SP's assets since they don't look as nice in the advertisements, but it's important to both remember where the game came from and also to, y'know, have actual SIMPLE planes.
If we're getting superchargers, will we also get turbochargers? IIRC the P-47 was basically built around a giant turbocharger, giving it the jug shape it's nicknamed for.
I should hope that cylinder limits can be overridden with Overload. I want a 300 cylinder radial and I want it now!
+3... Unless this game has a heat mechanic? Probably not.
HELLL YYAAAHHHHH READIALS!
+1radals
rdaildas
fuc
daraidlas
RADIALS
finaly
... darn
BUH!
@Boeing727200F I realize now that it's made worse by the fact that Gravatar is really blurry, meaning that the almost-pixel-art appearance of MS paint turns into a mess of blended colours without the intended contrast visible.
+1Now that I think of it, an anime-style drawing someone had posted a bit ago (weeks? idk) that I'd advised to be moved to Gravatar for loading reasons looked just fine even in the default 256 resolution...
Funny, that. Guess some things are better suited to the blurring that others.
@ThomasRoderick All online discussions inevitably transform into increasingly long-form arguments.
I can see those being dragged on a large wagon without too much issue, unless they're incredibly heavy.
The fact you have to account for cars in any substantial quantity at all. And when everyone needs a car, everyone needs parking. That is a massive sacrifice in cities. Most people should be able to get by without driving.
Yes, miniature rail would probably only work for fewer, larger things...
A few mountains can go kaput without that much bad stuff happening I'm sure. Unless a lot of dangerous isotopes are created by the radiation... Earthquakes would hardly be an issue, even massive landslides don't do all that much in regards to seismic waves.
Genuinely Japan is fucked.
Japan needs to go further, basically. More trains!
3m rail gauge or bust. Trains being too narrow is why tanks can't get any bigger; it's why the Maus is so narrow (despite still being incredibly wide). It all comes back to trains.
@Jmestes So why would someone bother downloading this instead of putting two parts together themselves?
+1Not to disparage, but you're better off spending time on things more... useful. Unique.
You cannot shoot the hurricane into submission.
Has anything been done insofar as variables or FT?
+1@Boeing727200F It's so stupid it's hilarious. Truly one of the artworks of all time.
+1big fukka
+1@YishFish42 Honestly for a number of reasons I just think I prefer KSP.
+1How
Dude looks like he was just beaten more than anything...
Heh.
@YishFish42 Hm...
+1@ThomasRoderick How large are these carboard boxes? Could they even fit inside a car? Chances are they could be pulled on a cart.
Perhaps, but then you have to make sacrifices elsewhere. Alternatively, delivery services are much better nowadays. Under the assumption that American-style suburbs have been nearly entirely phased out, perhaps a miniature guage railway could perform deliveries. If that's too unreliable, you could use drones (which would present much less potential disaster than trying to bring a whole person to a store and back with a flying car).
This ain't 1850 anymore. Terrain isn't nearly so great a restriction as it used to be. If a mountain needs to be blasted away so a large-gauge railway can avoid sharp turns, so be it. Unfortunately those nuclear test bans also include tests for pure-fusion explosives, so there's a lot of lost time to make up for there...
Japan is hardly a role model. Their transit is notoriously overcrowded, to say nothing of how strict they are with timelines because of it (and the disasters this has caused). Japan needs far, far more transit.
To be real, I do not view Japan favourably, but that is neither here nor there.
@Boeing727200F You're welcome. Now it'll haunt your nightmares too.
Think the pupils probably could've been bigger...
Was originally going to put more background details but honestly there was no saving this.
@Boeing727200F Alright there's no getting this any better. I'm calling it quits.
+1I was inspired by that post the other day with the helicopter and ill-fitted helmet, along with your trench warfare on WPlace, to parody the Two-Thousand-Yard Stare. Y'know, the painting used in the PTSD soldier meme.
It didn't really turn out all that great.. Ew. Could not get that expression down.
In any case, I tried. If I have to do this again I am going to kill somebody.
@SimplyElegant Impressive!
@Randomplayer Uh, probably shouldn't do that. Harder to catch mistakes as you type.
@Boeing727200F No, not that.
It's not on WPlace. Inspired by it, though.
@ThomasRoderick
"Specialist" here basically means "used only sometimes for specific duties". For example, if you need to move furniture you can rent/take out a truck.
Perhaps. Though I reckon it's better to restock many smaller stores (for everyday items) using a few trucks than have to put up with one massive story with many cars. Alternatively, make it so the one massive store can be easily and quickly reached every few days so people don't need to do large shopping trips.
I will never stop advocating that rail gauge needs to be increased. The more tracks are built to that tiny ~1.4m standard the deeper this problem becomes. A bigger standard NEEDS to be adopted, at least for major lines. Personally I'd put 3m as ideal. The current gauge is probably the single biggest logistically limiter around in regards to how big things can be. Everything else can be made bigger, except when trains are involved. Trains are great, but they are FAR too small at present.
As for wagons, more meant personally things like like those folding fabric ones some people have.
Transit certainly can't do everything (I admitted as much myself earlier), but they can do a lot more than often credited.
@Randomplayer The suggested website does that.
I got ~71-78 at 95% accuracy. Not great, not terrible.
@Randomplayer Reasonable. Accuracy?
@Boeing727200F I'm losing my marbles right now.
I can't say why because it's a surprise but just know I'm losing my marbles.
@jamesPLANESii Have you considered using electronic pulses? That's what I do.
Granted, I should probably learn to use more output points, but that's difficult so I'm staying with five.
@Ashdenpaw1 Incomprehensible.
@Subsere I'LL FUCK YOU UP!
@TheLoadingGorilla Over 400 pages I believe.
@TheLoadingGorilla Generational trauma.
Goodness, that's been, what, nine years?
@Boeing727200F You're not a true detective wizard.
@DoctorNowhere DAMN
@jamesPLANESii Yay!
@TheLoadingGorilla I think @Dad has a lot, but still not as many...
@TheLoadingGorilla God damnit harambe
+1Jumpy cursers and text select messed that up several times. I swear, why do laptops have to warp so easily...
@ThomasRoderick True. Individual vehicles are specialist, however. Additionally, it's better to have a grocery system that doesn't require long distance travel to begin with.
Also, larger (read: wider) rail cars could alleviate much of the space issues to begin with. Additionally, if stations can be made wheelchair accessible I see no reason they couldn't accommodate something akin to a wagon.
@TheLoadingGorilla I do wonder who has the most...