@RamboJutter You know, this thing is very similar to the A5 Vigilante. Same roles, same basic layout, same time period. I wonder if this bird influenced the designers over at North American?
@superdeltaforce We cancelled the Valkyrie because a missile could deliver ordinance faster and cheaper than a gigantic mach 3 jet. The prototypes flew just fine, and we only lost one of them because (surprise-surprise) a Starfighter crashed into it. NASA used the surviving one for years, without issue.
As for your rocket interceptor, all I can say is that they tend to need radar and weapons. By the time it was cancelled, Saunders Roe had admitted that their prototype would have to be redesigned before it could carry either. I suspect your government recalled the strategic blunder the Germans experienced with their Komet project. The Starfighter was a terrible plane, thus my username, and the only reason we exported so many was corruption, if you notice, the USAF used relatively few of them.
All of these planes (and the Lightning, which was/is a very cool plane) were made obsolete by our final fighter design of the 1950s, the F-110 Spectre (now known as the F-4 Phantom II). A plane not only faster than these other aircraft, but designed to work in all weather and with less demands on the pilot.
As for the Concorde, I always loved it. I have no idea where your assumption that we hated it came from. I hope the idea of an SST is revived at some point while I'm still alive.
High speed jets seem to do well with dive bombing in this game. I think it's a mix of the larger blast radius boom50's and the flat trajectory of the bombs when you're diving at very high speed.
As a proud blue collar American, I can safely say that people will treat you like 100% garbage if you don't stay in school. Doesn't matter if you work hard. Doesn't matter if you're smart (worse, if you're smart). IF you don't have a degree/license/accreditation/certificate people in this country will work you for peanuts, hang you out to dry and tell you it's your fault. I see it every day.
@Ihavenorealideawhatiamdoing They blame us for their aircraft industry imploding. It's a fair accusation, their government used to be amazingly corrupt and some of our biggest corporations (Lockheed, particularly) would bribe UK officials to buy American jets instead of investing locally. The TSR2 was a prestige program for them, England's attempt to reclaim their position as the best aircraft designers on Earth. But supersonic bombers were irrelevant once ICBMs became smaller/reliable, and low altitude strike aircraft can only go so fast. In the end, she came in WAY over budget and much slower than required. For the record, we cancelled our own hypersonic bomber program, the B-70 Valkyrie despite being almost 500mph faster.
@SledDriver I will attempt to contain my emotions until I can return home from my very manly job and check this out. Thank you very much for helping us out here.
@SledDriver Thats very exciting! (I had to retype this a couple times to remove foul language.) I may copy your style to make a few flying boats of my own.
Oh, I forgot to mention! The Phantom turns like a lead refrigerator. When the F4 was designed back in the 50's, max speed was king and maneuverability was kind of a joke. Those big delta wings bleed energy like crazy when you turn, and the jet itself is unbelievably heavy. Jets like this are usually called "missile trucks" because they're just designed to fire missiles at high speeds instead of dogfighting, the F-4B doesn't even have any guns!
People don't make flying boats much for two reasons. 1) Because they can't get them to stop nosing down [the key is making the tail and elevators HUGE, AND possibly angling them down a couple degrees to fight the pull of the engines] 2) Because it's really hard to make the boat hull bottom.
@F4f879 US Navy squadron VF-111 flew flat grey F4-B's with the Rising Sun emblem on the tail. Very striking, and not too difficult to recreate. http://markwaki.com/images/Close%20Ups%20&%20High%20Res/F-4B%20VF-111%20NL201SHR.jpg
If you don't like that, then perhaps the most famous variant is the USAF F4-G-WWV Wild Weasal, more difficult to get the paint right on that one, but it's a hell of a story. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Weasel
@Notapier Bottom one is a pretty cool plane too. Canadiar Bombardier? I'm not super knowledgeable about Canadian aircraft, but I do know they build a mean water bomber.
Remember that the F4 is a two-person jet. So you can skip all the radar looking stuff because the WSO handles that, not the pilot.
Defining features of the "Double-Ugly" include the long canopy, hunched back, large, flat delta wing with a dog-tooth leading edge and strangely up turned wing tips, the extremely down-turned all-moving "stabilator" tail, and the long drooping nose.
Minor stuff you want to include, such as the boundary layer splitter ramps on the intakes, the outrageous fuel consumption (more than 80 gallons a minute on afterburn!) and the IR scope under the nose.
Remember that this is one of the most versatile jets of all time, so depending on the version, year, owner and role it might have a wide variety of bumps, antennae or other strange looking gear bolted to it. Try to keep a specific variant/role/era in mind. For instance, all USAF Phantoms bombing North Vietnam had to carry a radar jammer pod, etc.
The only person on here capable of making organic shapes like the hull of a ship is @SledDriver . Perhaps he could be convinced to tackle this problem?
You might have to go with the same method as @DestinyAviation. His Dornier seaplane turned out great despite not having a true keel. https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/BP6urV/Dornier-Do-717-Seedrache
If you ever find out, please make a big post announcing it. This particular issue has been plaguing the community for years! If you notice, even the full time ship builders usually just make the hull flat bottomed.
If you want, I can link you to the earliest ballistic missile submarines so you can get an idea what they looked like. Or are you asking without asking other people to undertake this construction?
@destroyerP I spent about 4 hours working out part of the nose for my next bomber, and that required extensive use of the new builder tool. I also experimented with some of the new XML tags, very useful!
@InternationalAircraftCompany That's not too far from what they called it. A lot of their old interceptors used alcohol as coolant for onboard radar. Mig-21 had about 40 minutes worth of booze, and then you had to shut off the scope or it would overheat and damage the plane.
@Ihavenorealideawhatiamdoing Soviet fighter-bomber from WW2, its entire belly and the underside of the wings were solid steel plating. Frightfully slow but almost completely bulletproof from below.
@SimpleFlow One of my favorite things about the Peacemaker is how Covair approached the USAF about making a BIGGER version. I can imagine the brass like "No. Just, STOP."
@planelover400 EUREKA! It took me all night but I figured out a way to get the nose to fit together and made it work. I've got a long way to go, but that was the hardest part! We are in business, amigo!
BREAK-THE-GAME! BREAK-THE-GAME! Honestly though, why do large aircraft give this game so much trouble even when they have a relatively small part count?
As my co worker always says: "Use your eyes!" Aiming guns in a videogame isn't that hard. Some planes even have turrets you can aim like a first person shooter.
@SAC923 Factory workers, plumbers, electricians, etc usually wear blue uniforms.
Pretty! You're all over the front page today.
@RamboJutter You know, this thing is very similar to the A5 Vigilante. Same roles, same basic layout, same time period. I wonder if this bird influenced the designers over at North American?
@superdeltaforce We cancelled the Valkyrie because a missile could deliver ordinance faster and cheaper than a gigantic mach 3 jet. The prototypes flew just fine, and we only lost one of them because (surprise-surprise) a Starfighter crashed into it. NASA used the surviving one for years, without issue.
As for your rocket interceptor, all I can say is that they tend to need radar and weapons. By the time it was cancelled, Saunders Roe had admitted that their prototype would have to be redesigned before it could carry either. I suspect your government recalled the strategic blunder the Germans experienced with their Komet project. The Starfighter was a terrible plane, thus my username, and the only reason we exported so many was corruption, if you notice, the USAF used relatively few of them.
All of these planes (and the Lightning, which was/is a very cool plane) were made obsolete by our final fighter design of the 1950s, the F-110 Spectre (now known as the F-4 Phantom II). A plane not only faster than these other aircraft, but designed to work in all weather and with less demands on the pilot.
As for the Concorde, I always loved it. I have no idea where your assumption that we hated it came from. I hope the idea of an SST is revived at some point while I'm still alive.
You managed to get quite a lot of detail out of those 88 parts!
High speed jets seem to do well with dive bombing in this game. I think it's a mix of the larger blast radius boom50's and the flat trajectory of the bombs when you're diving at very high speed.
As a proud blue collar American, I can safely say that people will treat you like 100% garbage if you don't stay in school. Doesn't matter if you work hard. Doesn't matter if you're smart (worse, if you're smart). IF you don't have a degree/license/accreditation/certificate people in this country will work you for peanuts, hang you out to dry and tell you it's your fault. I see it every day.
Yeah, the overwhelming majority of players don't post on here. Heck, I didn't post my first plane until I had been playing for almost a year.
@Ihavenorealideawhatiamdoing They blame us for their aircraft industry imploding. It's a fair accusation, their government used to be amazingly corrupt and some of our biggest corporations (Lockheed, particularly) would bribe UK officials to buy American jets instead of investing locally. The TSR2 was a prestige program for them, England's attempt to reclaim their position as the best aircraft designers on Earth. But supersonic bombers were irrelevant once ICBMs became smaller/reliable, and low altitude strike aircraft can only go so fast. In the end, she came in WAY over budget and much slower than required. For the record, we cancelled our own hypersonic bomber program, the B-70 Valkyrie despite being almost 500mph faster.
@Notapier lololol
This baby right here is a real looker. Nice work.
Do you know about successor aircraft?
@SledDriver I will attempt to contain my emotions until I can return home from my very manly job and check this out. Thank you very much for helping us out here.
@Notapier Nudging by the photo, you're doing the turbo?
What's wrong with rotators?
@MrSilverWolf Ha! Super scooper.
@SledDriver Thats very exciting! (I had to retype this a couple times to remove foul language.) I may copy your style to make a few flying boats of my own.
Oh, I forgot to mention! The Phantom turns like a lead refrigerator. When the F4 was designed back in the 50's, max speed was king and maneuverability was kind of a joke. Those big delta wings bleed energy like crazy when you turn, and the jet itself is unbelievably heavy. Jets like this are usually called "missile trucks" because they're just designed to fire missiles at high speeds instead of dogfighting, the F-4B doesn't even have any guns!
OK, SORRY, I'M DONE THIS TIME, I PROMISE.
@F4f879 Absolutely. Looking forward to see it!
People don't make flying boats much for two reasons. 1) Because they can't get them to stop nosing down [the key is making the tail and elevators HUGE, AND possibly angling them down a couple degrees to fight the pull of the engines] 2) Because it's really hard to make the boat hull bottom.
@F4f879 US Navy squadron VF-111 flew flat grey F4-B's with the Rising Sun emblem on the tail. Very striking, and not too difficult to recreate. http://markwaki.com/images/Close%20Ups%20&%20High%20Res/F-4B%20VF-111%20NL201SHR.jpg
If you don't like that, then perhaps the most famous variant is the USAF F4-G-WWV Wild Weasal, more difficult to get the paint right on that one, but it's a hell of a story. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Weasel
@Notapier Bottom one is a pretty cool plane too. Canadiar Bombardier? I'm not super knowledgeable about Canadian aircraft, but I do know they build a mean water bomber.
@Notapier She's a real beauty, not flashy, but nice clean lines. You gonna build one?
Remember that the F4 is a two-person jet. So you can skip all the radar looking stuff because the WSO handles that, not the pilot.
Defining features of the "Double-Ugly" include the long canopy, hunched back, large, flat delta wing with a dog-tooth leading edge and strangely up turned wing tips, the extremely down-turned all-moving "stabilator" tail, and the long drooping nose.
Minor stuff you want to include, such as the boundary layer splitter ramps on the intakes, the outrageous fuel consumption (more than 80 gallons a minute on afterburn!) and the IR scope under the nose.
Remember that this is one of the most versatile jets of all time, so depending on the version, year, owner and role it might have a wide variety of bumps, antennae or other strange looking gear bolted to it. Try to keep a specific variant/role/era in mind. For instance, all USAF Phantoms bombing North Vietnam had to carry a radar jammer pod, etc.
Martin JRM Mars, right?
Fun fact: everyone might die, that's called life.
@Mainblocks The overlapping canopies are especially realistic looking. You don't see that very often on here.
Beautiful work.
The only person on here capable of making organic shapes like the hull of a ship is @SledDriver . Perhaps he could be convinced to tackle this problem?
You might have to go with the same method as @DestinyAviation. His Dornier seaplane turned out great despite not having a true keel. https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/BP6urV/Dornier-Do-717-Seedrache
If you ever find out, please make a big post announcing it. This particular issue has been plaguing the community for years! If you notice, even the full time ship builders usually just make the hull flat bottomed.
@Milo1628xa It is still in beta, and IOS won't allow beta or mod releases, but it is available to android and Windows users in The Netherlands.
@spefyjerbf Fair enough, looking forward to seeing them.
If you want, I can link you to the earliest ballistic missile submarines so you can get an idea what they looked like. Or are you asking without asking other people to undertake this construction?
@destroyerP I spent about 4 hours working out part of the nose for my next bomber, and that required extensive use of the new builder tool. I also experimented with some of the new XML tags, very useful!
@InternationalAircraftCompany That's not too far from what they called it. A lot of their old interceptors used alcohol as coolant for onboard radar. Mig-21 had about 40 minutes worth of booze, and then you had to shut off the scope or it would overheat and damage the plane.
@InternationalAircraftCompany What about their mach 3 interceptor that was made out of solid steel and ran on kerosene and alcohol?
@GermanWarMachine <-- This guy gets it!
@Ihavenorealideawhatiamdoing Soviet fighter-bomber from WW2, its entire belly and the underside of the wings were solid steel plating. Frightfully slow but almost completely bulletproof from below.
@Ihavenorealideawhatiamdoing So basically, a Sturmovik. :D
@SimpleFlow One of my favorite things about the Peacemaker is how Covair approached the USAF about making a BIGGER version. I can imagine the brass like "No. Just, STOP."
@planelover400 EUREKA! It took me all night but I figured out a way to get the nose to fit together and made it work. I've got a long way to go, but that was the hardest part! We are in business, amigo!
BREAK-THE-GAME! BREAK-THE-GAME! Honestly though, why do large aircraft give this game so much trouble even when they have a relatively small part count?
Oh yes, yes, yes. She has been waiting for a build like this. Very well done.
Thanks for the spotlight @Awsomur
@MasterCrafterTLL Sorry, detachers. Autocorrect hates me.
Very nice.
We need more quality flying boats like this, great job!
As my co worker always says: "Use your eyes!" Aiming guns in a videogame isn't that hard. Some planes even have turrets you can aim like a first person shooter.
How about a Gloster Meteor? The first allied jet fighter to see action, simple but dynamic lines, I think it's prettier than the ME 262. Check it out