It was as good as a spitfire ... Even better in certain points, the military materials were not in question, the cause was the pitiful French generals who with an army SUPERIOR than the German army of 1939 miserably lost, by not listening to lower-ranking military, like De Gaulle ...
Hey, stop talking about him like "he", say "I", it can be seen 2km away that you and him are ... the same person, you could have avoided crossing lines with dots ... that betrayed you, moreover, reddit or not, go see in another site, you will see, but i don't want to converse with you anymore, you deleted your first account (or I can't see it) so as not to have everything deleted, but you use a secondary account, i can report you, I have proof, and ... stop, you don't gain anything by doing this, other than making enemies, you had the wisdom to remove that, or else it was removed, anyway , it is more visible, only by you, it is not any more on the French air force challenge, and so much the better, in any case, I block you.
Awnser to : "what the fuck are you talking about" 🙄
Come on, don't make the innocent. You spoke like him, you put points for skipping a line, don't be stupid to guess that this is your secondary Walvis account, do you take me for a blind man ? 😂
Anyway, I don't have time to talk with you any longer today, it's going crazy, but we have to change the future, think of something other than insulting a country for no reason, and stop pretending that you and Walvis are two different people, it's ridiculous, laughable, and not very discreet...
Well ! They give you a gift by rewarding your 16 parts thing giving you 75 upvotes !!! And that's how you thank them ... It's not always the best who leave.
Vuq had you made an English battleship, and an American, why not a French ? For the first war why not a Bretagne class, a Courbet is also pretty, for the second war, it would obviously be a Richelieu.
Superb ship ! I have also planned to make a 1/400 scale model, which will go with my Charles de Gaulle, Redoutable, De Grasse cruiser and Lafayette (at 1/400 all !)
The only criticism I could make on this ship is that the 100mm guns are too square, they are originally rounded.
@KnightOfRen MisterT gave me the link to unlisted, it's been 8 months already.
I modified it to my tastes, added a canopy, modified the cockpit a little and some details, since it belongs to MisterT, I keep it to myself, on the other hand, I do not know if he will publish it a day, as this aircraft is based on the SpiritusRaptor's Mirage...
@WarHawk95 Je sais pour le Mirage 2000, la maniabilité est atroce et irréaliste, et les Mystères ne sont pas conformes (missiles air-air), mais ils sont quand même esthétiquement beaux pour des photos. Je vais peut être commencer à construire un truc, probablement un navire, ayant abandonné mon Horizon...
Why are the cockades not French, would England have bought its planes ? Anyway,I would have preferred to see the corards of the country of origin ... It's a shame, but I will just have to invert the colors ...
This plane looks promising, and honestly, I have never seen such a beautiful missile as this one !
However, once finished, the number of parts will be scary.
@Fox00One Although the head office is based in France, three foreign shareholders own Airbus, Germany at 10.9% and Spain at 4,17 %, even if France is the main shareholder, Airbus is rather a European firm. Airbus does not only have all its factories in France, but all over Europe, Germany's Eurofighters were made in Germany.
On the other hand, Dassault, which manufactures French planes like the Rafale is a purely French company, not to be confused with Airbus.
@ChrisPy What you say about stealth, and the fact that the F35 can have the advantage in distant combat is true, but it depends on the radar of the plane in front, or if there are powerful radars on the ground, the plane is not stealth with all types of radars, it works well against radar operating in X or KU band, but not in S bands because of the increase in wavelength. Faced with a Radar operating on the L band, the axisymmetric design of the nozzle is no longer effective, in the VHF frequency band (about 2 meters), the airframe of the F-35 is largely ineffective, but in short, let's not forget the F117 shot down during the Kosovo war, stealth planes are not always stealthy, you have to be wary. But the F35, it is true still has the advantage over the Rafale of stealth, although a Rafale is much smaller on radar than a Gripen, an F16, or worse, an F18. The advantage of the Rafale is its aptitude for Dogfight, its "omnirolability", its unique capacity to carry 1.5x its weight, and its acceleration, for example an F22 accelerates to 15,240 m / min against 18,290 m / min for the Rafale !
I am aware of the plan to reduce the aircraft carriers of the US Navy, it is still very expensive, they will have at least 4 all the same. Especially since they are getting old ! The Nimitz class is no longer very young, for their replacements they must decide the number of Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers, they have planned 3, which is too few for the USA, especially since the Gerald Ford suffers of technical problems .. A bit like the Charles de Gaulle when it was launched.
I think France should have two supercarriers instead of one, the Charles de Gaulle was under repair all the time (the propeller problem is fixed), in 2019 it was transformed, but it cannot be everywhere in at the same time, hence the question to be asked about a second aircraft carrier, the PANG program plans to manufacture a giant nuclear aircraft carrier (successor to CDG), the largest warship ever built in Europe, but for me, it takes two, like Clémenceau and Foch, moreover, the senate defends the idea, especially since France is the second largest maritime area in the world. We should also work on our own VTOL, to equip the 3 helicopter carriers for example. The F35 has some problems, its design was a financial abyss, its engine is defective, and it does not shoot straight, England will probably never receive all of its 45 F35s, delivery of 7 is expected by 2025 ! We have to think carefully before embarking on such a program, and elect policies capable of putting money where it is necessary, and not miserly like Macron.
I quote : "the Rafale is actually designed for a reduced radar cross-section (RCS) and infrared signature, which means it has the real stealth features."
And if you had seen what I said, a stealth plane is not invisible on Radar, the radar echo is smaller that's all, for example : the chinese j20 is visible on the radars of the indian su-30s, the echo is just small.
That will not prevent the Rafale from sending a Fox-3 in the face of the F35. And if an F35 gets too close to the Rafale and engages it in dogfight, it will be quickly destroyed !
France has 4 aircraft carriers, including 1 nuclear aircraft carrier, and 3 Mistrals class who can load helis or Vtols, but France don't got Vtols (even if france does not make VTOLS, there was the Mirage Balzac, we could do it, and I'm sure Dassault would release a good thing, too bad, we have to put in more money, it is a political decision to be made).
The americain or english helicopter carriers with their F35s are very less powerful, I'm not talking about foreign VTOLS ships, with old harriers !
The power of a nuclear (or normal but with a bridge for normal fighters, like Russian aircraft carrier) aircraft carrier is superior to everything, more planes, AWACS, catapults project much faster, and planes are more powerful on a normal bridge aircraft carrier than on VTOLS, that's why France is the second power in terms of aircraft carriers, the Rafale is the only fighter jet which can carry 1.5 x its weight, and the only "omnirôle" plane of world. An aircraft carrier is nothing without planes, and you have to choose what to put on it. Thank you however for appreciating the Rafale, it's my favorite modern plane, but I also like American planes, like the F15 or F22.
@ChrisPy
Encore une fois, vous faites un ad-hominem (j'aime reprendre vos "arguments" contre vous) en ne me répondant pas sur le fond, et en disant que je ne connais pas l'histoire, mais je la connais, des documentaires et des livres, j'en ai vu et lu... et votre seul argument et de dire que je ne la connais pas, bravo ! Vous portez des jugements précoces contre vos adversaires que vous ne conaissez pas, seul un idiot peut faire cela, continuer à "argumenter" avec vous est un dialogue de sourds, étant donné que vos arguments sont inaudibles, et sortent de sites sombres, vous croyez en de nouveaux classements stupides et sans sens, dans les classements normaux, on prend on compte le pouvoir de destruction d'un pays, (le but d'une guerre est de ...), et un pays ayant l'arme atomique détruit l'autre sans que l'autre ne puisse lui répondre, enfin, c'est le béaba du principe de destruction, vos classements sont pitoyables ..
@ChrisPy
@ChrisPy
Poutine, il est vrai a pu détourner des fonds, mais pour autant que je sache, cela ne nuit pas à son pays, ni à son économie, son peuple l'a bien réelu beaucoup de fois, et à ce que je vois, son peuple ne le déteste pas, ce n'est pas Staline, où beaucoup de monde pleurait de joie à son enterrement, il n'est pas expansionniste, ni agressif, il ne maltraite pas son peuple, savez vous que Staline avait même fait arreter bon nombre de medecins lors de son complot des blouses blanches, Staline déportait à son aise, il était devenu paranoïaque à la fin de sa vie, il avait même déporté son fournisseur de bananes sous prétexte qu'une d'elles ne lui plaisait pas 😂, il maltraitait son peuple, et vous venez me parler de Poutine ? Vraiment, vivre en Russie est aujourd'hui pareil que de vivre en Pologne par exemple, leurs grands parents qui vivaient en URSS sont très, très loin de la vie en Russie aujourd'hui, Je ne veux même pas me pencher sur toutes les horribles magouilles des gens au pouvoir aux USA..
Les "index numbers", mais qu'êtes vous encore aller chercher, un autre truc comique pour me faire bien rire ? Ah, je comprend, c'est sur ce lugubre machin que vous êtes allés dénicher vos pseudo-chiffres fantasmés, bon, voyons ça ... la France est 5ème, je ne comprend pas vos stupides "index numbers", encore une merde pondue par une bande de guignols qui n'avaient rien d'autre à foutre que d'inventer du nouveau, mais je vais vous dire, un pays qui a l'arme atomique, et du surcroît le 3ème le plus puissant du monde peut détruire l'autre en quelques minutes, quelques missiles M51, quelques secondes, alors, ne faites pas chier à mettre des pays qui n'en n'ont pas devant, et qui sont les jouets des Etas-Unis, ou à trouver de sombres classements je ne sais où.
C'est le truc le plus absurde que j'ai jamais vu, des pays sans armes atomiques, sans porte avion nucléaire CATOBAR (la France et les USA étant les seuls pays à avoir ce type de navire), sans sous marin nucleaire, sans maillage de satellites militaires dignes de ce nom (en 2023, la France aura des satellites laser pour protèger ses satellites militaires), sans un savoir-faire autonaume en termes d'armements, exetera... bref, que des chiffres, mais que du vent, et des conneries, la France est loin, très, très, très loin devant, je comprenderais si la France n'avait ni son arsenal nucléaire (le 3ème au monde), ni ses sous marins nucléaires (la classe Triomphant étant le sous-marin le plus cher au monde), ni sa marine, ni ses forces aeriennes strategiques qui portent le missile nucléaire, sans le Rafale, sans le savoir faire en armements, et sans la souveraieneté en matière d'armements, sans ça, le classement aurait peut être du vrai, et encore ... D'ailleurs, je tiens à préciser que l'armée de terre Russe est largement superieure à celle des USA, et sa sous-marinerie, à l'instar de la France est redouteble, un petit exemple, "Au cours d'un entrainement conjoint avec l'US Navy au large de la Floride début 2015, le Saphir a virtuellement coulé le porte-avions américain USS Theodore Roosevelt et son escorte de destroyers (des Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke ainsi qu’un sous-marin nucléaire d'attaque de classe Los Angeles) : « […] le Saphir s’est glissé discrètement au cœur de l’écran formé par les frégates américaines protégeant le porte-avions, tout en évitant la contre-détection des moyens aériens omniprésents. Au matin du dernier jour, l’ordre de feu était enfin donné, permettant au Saphir de couler fictivement le Theodore Roosevelt et la majeure partie de son escorte. »"
Ce que je tiens à dire, c'est que la compétence est nécessaire dans une armée qui se respecte, les Russes, et les Français sont loin devant les USA.
(continued) d'essayer de déstabliser l'adversaire en essayant de mettre en place une argumentation de dénigrement de la forme au détriment du fond, vous vous attaquez à moi plutot que de vous attaquer à ce que je dis, c'est vous qui faites un parfait ad hominem comme je l'ai déja dit, je manque de "faits clés" historiques ? Je ne vous vois pas en citer beaucoup, vous n'êtes pas bien placé pour dire ça, le traité de Paris (qui donna celui de Versailles) était interessant, elle permettait de régler le "problème allemand", en lui interdisant toutes sortes de choses, mais hélas, les incapables que nous avons eu au pouvoir jusqu'en 39 ont laissé Hitler bafouer ce traité, tout en démilitarisant et pacifiant la France, tout le contraire de ce quelqu'un de censé aurait du faire, c'est pas tout de faire un traité, encore faut t'il le faire respecter, cela aurait pu éviter la deuxième guerre mondiale, hélas, les laxistes au pouvoir à cette époque ont laissé faire, et ça s'est retourné contre eux.
@ChrisPy
So, build a boat...
It was as good as a spitfire ... Even better in certain points, the military materials were not in question, the cause was the pitiful French generals who with an army SUPERIOR than the German army of 1939 miserably lost, by not listening to lower-ranking military, like De Gaulle ...
I have some ideas here, if you're interested.
The stick is scary ... They used it to harpoon and destroy enemy planes ?
@WarHawk95 Ils vont sans doute venir à 3, enfin à 1... Il va bien se faire chier à changer de comptes tout le temps.
Magnifique ce Mirage ! J'ai aussi des captures d'écran d'un Mirage III ICI., mais c'est vous qui l'avez fabriqué ?
Hey, stop talking about him like "he", say "I", it can be seen 2km away that you and him are ... the same person, you could have avoided crossing lines with dots ... that betrayed you, moreover, reddit or not, go see in another site, you will see, but i don't want to converse with you anymore, you deleted your first account (or I can't see it) so as not to have everything deleted, but you use a secondary account, i can report you, I have proof, and ... stop, you don't gain anything by doing this, other than making enemies, you had the wisdom to remove that, or else it was removed, anyway , it is more visible, only by you, it is not any more on the French air force challenge, and so much the better, in any case, I block you.
Awnser to : "what the fuck are you talking about" 🙄
Come on, don't make the innocent.
You spoke like him, you put points for skipping a line, don't be stupid to guess that this is your secondary Walvis account, do you take me for a blind man ? 😂
Anyway, I don't have time to talk with you any longer today, it's going crazy, but we have to change the future, think of something other than insulting a country for no reason, and stop pretending that you and Walvis are two different people, it's ridiculous, laughable, and not very discreet...
Well ! They give you a gift by rewarding your 16 parts thing giving you 75 upvotes !!! And that's how you thank them ...
It's not always the best who leave.
Impressive creation, once again.
Two heads are better than one.
@ali21pashaie Okay, I said it wasn't for sure, you're right, I made more inquiries, and saw that this embargo was lifted on October 18th.
I saw that you mentioned me on the Su-30, but (strangely), your post is no longer there !! What were you saying ?
Lanc.. I can't see who it is anymore, but I've seen his name before.
No, it's not sure, : https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/no-iran-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-russias-sukhoi-su-30sm-flanker-jets-65086
@DripYeager I would never have thought of that !
@THEYE But now it's too late, I have 17 more :(
@THEYE I was talking about the points.
@ArkRoyalTheDDhunter Lol, It's okay, we all make mistakes 🤣!
Vuq had you made an English battleship, and an American, why not a French ? For the first war why not a Bretagne class, a Courbet is also pretty, for the second war, it would obviously be a Richelieu.
Wow, how beautiful he is !
@ArkRoyalTheDDhunter no, you have more, 3,528 points, I'v only 2,576
@NFIGMT Ah, okay, thanks for the info !
@SyntheticL thanks !
Very nice plane !
@Leota maybe Surcouf
Superb ship ! I have also planned to make a 1/400 scale model, which will go with my Charles de Gaulle, Redoutable, De Grasse cruiser and Lafayette (at 1/400 all !)
The only criticism I could make on this ship is that the 100mm guns are too square, they are originally rounded.
First.
Very nice tank !
@FelixTheDoggo yeah, well it's not obvious ... Without a Japanese flag, we take it for an American destroyer.
Beautiful ship, well done, but what's the difference between an Arleigh Burke and that, apart from the fact that he is Japanese ?
@KnightOfRen MisterT gave me the link to unlisted, it's been 8 months already.
I modified it to my tastes, added a canopy, modified the cockpit a little and some details, since it belongs to MisterT, I keep it to myself, on the other hand, I do not know if he will publish it a day, as this aircraft is based on the SpiritusRaptor's Mirage...
@ChrisPy Thanks, and no I am not using reshade, just basic screenshots
@WarHawk95 Je sais pour le Mirage 2000, la maniabilité est atroce et irréaliste, et les Mystères ne sont pas conformes (missiles air-air), mais ils sont quand même esthétiquement beaux pour des photos. Je vais peut être commencer à construire un truc, probablement un navire, ayant abandonné mon Horizon...
@SCP1471 thanks !
Beautiful replica!
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Why are the cockades not French, would England have bought its planes ? Anyway,I would have preferred to see the corards of the country of origin ... It's a shame, but I will just have to invert the colors ...
@SCP1471 Of course ! This is the Airbase Designer from mikoyanster HERE
@GGGE2014 I recommend Brittany, I live there (Concarneau), and the region is very pretty.
But all regions are beautiful, but different.
"I love france!!!"
Moi aussi !
Wunderbar !
This plane looks promising, and honestly, I have never seen such a beautiful missile as this one !
However, once finished, the number of parts will be scary.
Nice ship.
@Fox00One Although the head office is based in France, three foreign shareholders own Airbus, Germany at 10.9% and Spain at 4,17 %, even if France is the main shareholder, Airbus is rather a European firm. Airbus does not only have all its factories in France, but all over Europe, Germany's Eurofighters were made in Germany.
On the other hand, Dassault, which manufactures French planes like the Rafale is a purely French company, not to be confused with Airbus.
@ChrisPy What you say about stealth, and the fact that the F35 can have the advantage in distant combat is true, but it depends on the radar of the plane in front, or if there are powerful radars on the ground, the plane is not stealth with all types of radars, it works well against radar operating in X or KU band, but not in S bands because of the increase in wavelength. Faced with a Radar operating on the L band, the axisymmetric design of the nozzle is no longer effective, in the VHF frequency band (about 2 meters), the airframe of the F-35 is largely ineffective, but in short, let's not forget the F117 shot down during the Kosovo war, stealth planes are not always stealthy, you have to be wary. But the F35, it is true still has the advantage over the Rafale of stealth, although a Rafale is much smaller on radar than a Gripen, an F16, or worse, an F18. The advantage of the Rafale is its aptitude for Dogfight, its "omnirolability", its unique capacity to carry 1.5x its weight, and its acceleration, for example an F22 accelerates to 15,240 m / min against 18,290 m / min for the Rafale !
I am aware of the plan to reduce the aircraft carriers of the US Navy, it is still very expensive, they will have at least 4 all the same. Especially since they are getting old ! The Nimitz class is no longer very young, for their replacements they must decide the number of Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers, they have planned 3, which is too few for the USA, especially since the Gerald Ford suffers of technical problems .. A bit like the Charles de Gaulle when it was launched.
I think France should have two supercarriers instead of one, the Charles de Gaulle was under repair all the time (the propeller problem is fixed), in 2019 it was transformed, but it cannot be everywhere in at the same time, hence the question to be asked about a second aircraft carrier, the PANG program plans to manufacture a giant nuclear aircraft carrier (successor to CDG), the largest warship ever built in Europe, but for me, it takes two, like Clémenceau and Foch, moreover, the senate defends the idea, especially since France is the second largest maritime area in the world. We should also work on our own VTOL, to equip the 3 helicopter carriers for example. The F35 has some problems, its design was a financial abyss, its engine is defective, and it does not shoot straight, England will probably never receive all of its 45 F35s, delivery of 7 is expected by 2025 ! We have to think carefully before embarking on such a program, and elect policies capable of putting money where it is necessary, and not miserly like Macron.
I would answer better tomorrow.
I quote : "the Rafale is actually designed for a reduced radar cross-section (RCS) and infrared signature, which means it has the real stealth features."
And if you had seen what I said, a stealth plane is not invisible on Radar, the radar echo is smaller that's all, for example : the chinese j20 is visible on the radars of the indian su-30s, the echo is just small.
That will not prevent the Rafale from sending a Fox-3 in the face of the F35. And if an F35 gets too close to the Rafale and engages it in dogfight, it will be quickly destroyed !
France has 4 aircraft carriers, including 1 nuclear aircraft carrier, and 3 Mistrals class who can load helis or Vtols, but France don't got Vtols (even if france does not make VTOLS, there was the Mirage Balzac, we could do it, and I'm sure Dassault would release a good thing, too bad, we have to put in more money, it is a political decision to be made).
The americain or english helicopter carriers with their F35s are very less powerful, I'm not talking about foreign VTOLS ships, with old harriers !
The power of a nuclear (or normal but with a bridge for normal fighters, like Russian aircraft carrier) aircraft carrier is superior to everything, more planes, AWACS, catapults project much faster, and planes are more powerful on a normal bridge aircraft carrier than on VTOLS, that's why France is the second power in terms of aircraft carriers, the Rafale is the only fighter jet which can carry 1.5 x its weight, and the only "omnirôle" plane of world. An aircraft carrier is nothing without planes, and you have to choose what to put on it. Thank you however for appreciating the Rafale, it's my favorite modern plane, but I also like American planes, like the F15 or F22.
@ChrisPy
Encore une fois, vous faites un ad-hominem (j'aime reprendre vos "arguments" contre vous) en ne me répondant pas sur le fond, et en disant que je ne connais pas l'histoire, mais je la connais, des documentaires et des livres, j'en ai vu et lu... et votre seul argument et de dire que je ne la connais pas, bravo ! Vous portez des jugements précoces contre vos adversaires que vous ne conaissez pas, seul un idiot peut faire cela, continuer à "argumenter" avec vous est un dialogue de sourds, étant donné que vos arguments sont inaudibles, et sortent de sites sombres, vous croyez en de nouveaux classements stupides et sans sens, dans les classements normaux, on prend on compte le pouvoir de destruction d'un pays, (le but d'une guerre est de ...), et un pays ayant l'arme atomique détruit l'autre sans que l'autre ne puisse lui répondre, enfin, c'est le béaba du principe de destruction, vos classements sont pitoyables ..
@ChrisPy
@ChrisPy
Poutine, il est vrai a pu détourner des fonds, mais pour autant que je sache, cela ne nuit pas à son pays, ni à son économie, son peuple l'a bien réelu beaucoup de fois, et à ce que je vois, son peuple ne le déteste pas, ce n'est pas Staline, où beaucoup de monde pleurait de joie à son enterrement, il n'est pas expansionniste, ni agressif, il ne maltraite pas son peuple, savez vous que Staline avait même fait arreter bon nombre de medecins lors de son complot des blouses blanches, Staline déportait à son aise, il était devenu paranoïaque à la fin de sa vie, il avait même déporté son fournisseur de bananes sous prétexte qu'une d'elles ne lui plaisait pas 😂, il maltraitait son peuple, et vous venez me parler de Poutine ? Vraiment, vivre en Russie est aujourd'hui pareil que de vivre en Pologne par exemple, leurs grands parents qui vivaient en URSS sont très, très loin de la vie en Russie aujourd'hui, Je ne veux même pas me pencher sur toutes les horribles magouilles des gens au pouvoir aux USA..
Les "index numbers", mais qu'êtes vous encore aller chercher, un autre truc comique pour me faire bien rire ? Ah, je comprend, c'est sur ce lugubre machin que vous êtes allés dénicher vos pseudo-chiffres fantasmés, bon, voyons ça ... la France est 5ème, je ne comprend pas vos stupides "index numbers", encore une merde pondue par une bande de guignols qui n'avaient rien d'autre à foutre que d'inventer du nouveau, mais je vais vous dire, un pays qui a l'arme atomique, et du surcroît le 3ème le plus puissant du monde peut détruire l'autre en quelques minutes, quelques missiles M51, quelques secondes, alors, ne faites pas chier à mettre des pays qui n'en n'ont pas devant, et qui sont les jouets des Etas-Unis, ou à trouver de sombres classements je ne sais où.
C'est le truc le plus absurde que j'ai jamais vu, des pays sans armes atomiques, sans porte avion nucléaire CATOBAR (la France et les USA étant les seuls pays à avoir ce type de navire), sans sous marin nucleaire, sans maillage de satellites militaires dignes de ce nom (en 2023, la France aura des satellites laser pour protèger ses satellites militaires), sans un savoir-faire autonaume en termes d'armements, exetera... bref, que des chiffres, mais que du vent, et des conneries, la France est loin, très, très, très loin devant, je comprenderais si la France n'avait ni son arsenal nucléaire (le 3ème au monde), ni ses sous marins nucléaires (la classe Triomphant étant le sous-marin le plus cher au monde), ni sa marine, ni ses forces aeriennes strategiques qui portent le missile nucléaire, sans le Rafale, sans le savoir faire en armements, et sans la souveraieneté en matière d'armements, sans ça, le classement aurait peut être du vrai, et encore ... D'ailleurs, je tiens à préciser que l'armée de terre Russe est largement superieure à celle des USA, et sa sous-marinerie, à l'instar de la France est redouteble, un petit exemple, "Au cours d'un entrainement conjoint avec l'US Navy au large de la Floride début 2015, le Saphir a virtuellement coulé le porte-avions américain USS Theodore Roosevelt et son escorte de destroyers (des Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke ainsi qu’un sous-marin nucléaire d'attaque de classe Los Angeles) : « […] le Saphir s’est glissé discrètement au cœur de l’écran formé par les frégates américaines protégeant le porte-avions, tout en évitant la contre-détection des moyens aériens omniprésents. Au matin du dernier jour, l’ordre de feu était enfin donné, permettant au Saphir de couler fictivement le Theodore Roosevelt et la majeure partie de son escorte. »"
Ce que je tiens à dire, c'est que la compétence est nécessaire dans une armée qui se respecte, les Russes, et les Français sont loin devant les USA.
(continued) d'essayer de déstabliser l'adversaire en essayant de mettre en place une argumentation de dénigrement de la forme au détriment du fond, vous vous attaquez à moi plutot que de vous attaquer à ce que je dis, c'est vous qui faites un parfait ad hominem comme je l'ai déja dit, je manque de "faits clés" historiques ? Je ne vous vois pas en citer beaucoup, vous n'êtes pas bien placé pour dire ça, le traité de Paris (qui donna celui de Versailles) était interessant, elle permettait de régler le "problème allemand", en lui interdisant toutes sortes de choses, mais hélas, les incapables que nous avons eu au pouvoir jusqu'en 39 ont laissé Hitler bafouer ce traité, tout en démilitarisant et pacifiant la France, tout le contraire de ce quelqu'un de censé aurait du faire, c'est pas tout de faire un traité, encore faut t'il le faire respecter, cela aurait pu éviter la deuxième guerre mondiale, hélas, les laxistes au pouvoir à cette époque ont laissé faire, et ça s'est retourné contre eux.
@ChrisPy