randolph @ChiChiWerx

@Nerfenthusiast so, which one, Holloman, Langley, Whiteman, Beale or Randolph, Vance, Laughlin or Columbus? Or Edwards? That’s the vast majority, I think.

ok I live near a base that flies 38's @ChiChiWerx

@Nerfenthusiast Beale AFB, besides pilot training at Columbus AFB, MS, but that was a pretty long time ago.

where did you fly 38's @ChiChiWerx

It can just pitch down and then go back up
Not falling and oofing
Maybe

@Aerofy I actually approximated that buffet effect on my latest build, if you’d like to check it out here. When turning and pulling back on the stick, the glare shield will buffet...just like it does on a real jet with a symmetric airfoil.

Well, yes. It doesn’t take that much increase in Gs to make a big difference in AoA and stall speed. To maintain level flight at 60 degrees of bank (normal turns are 30 degrees), it takes 2 Gs and however many AoA units associated with that airfoil. Two Gs increases stall speed by about 40%, so if your plane stalls at 100 knots flying straight and level, it will stall at approximately 140 knots if flying a level 60 degree bank turn. When I flew the T-38, we would practice accelerated stalls—which is what this phenomenon is known as—we would start at around 300 knots and go into a simulated break turn. Then, you’d reef back on the stick while maintaining the level turn...the turn buffet would increase into a stall buffet, the nose would stop tracking around the turn and you are then into the accelerated stall. All that’s required to recover is to relax the pull to less than 2 Gs and the jet instantaneously recovers. But that buffet characteristic is inherent to symmetric airfoils. For most other cambered airfoils, an accelerated, or aggravated stall, as they’re also called, will lead to a snap roll and, eventually a spin. But relaxing the Gs on all airfoils lowers the AoA and lowers the level flight stall speed.

@ChiChiWerx That's interesting. I didn't know that the amount of G's you're pulling had an effect. Are you a pilot?

@Chancey21 could you make an example with `` ?

Six pound keys in a row@WarHawk95

I don’t, but I do watch a lot of videos of planes @StallFlight

@Mysweetbologna yo i bet you watch air crash investigation

@Chancey21 I mean not your signature. Just the text above (black instead of grey)

Lol it’s a picture @WarHawk95

How did you get that writing color ?

Thanks @ChiChiWerx

An aircraft can be made to be “stall resistant”, but a wing will always stall. Ways to make an aircraft stall resistant include a canard, in which the canard stalls first because it is placed on the airframe at a higher angle (AoA), or is a different airfoil than the main wing. Canard stalls first, before the main wing, nose comes down, airspeed increases and stall is avoided—notice that a mini stall with the canard still occurs, but the main wing remains below its critical AoA. Or a wing may have slats that deploy at low speeds and increase the wing’s camber (curve), making it able to maintain flight at a lower airspeed. Or a design may simply not have the elevator authority to hold the nose up far and long enough to cause exceedance of the critical AoA...however, the end result of this is very poor maneuverability (most aircraft are like SP in that the CoG is ahead of CoM for stability) and the fact that if you go slow enough, sinking/mushing in the ground, albeit at a nose up angle. Still bad. However, every single airfoil out there will stall if the relative wind (often, the path of flight) is at too great an angle to the mean chord line of the wing.

@Aerofy nice explanation of what we call a “stall”. However, low airspeed doesn’t necessarily cause a stall. I can push over to 1/2 G and my stall speed will decrease significantly, so airspeed alone doesn’t cause a wing to stall, it is, as you first said, exceedance of the critical AoA. If I’m in that 1/2 G pushover at a speed below the published 1 G stall speed—the speed during level flight that will result in exceeding the critical AoA—I can be flying fine. But if I then pull the stick back and try and maintain level flight, the wing will immediately stall.

@Mysweetbologna Np, I like being a keyboard aerospace engineer lol

It does so through the power of the Force

Yeah, if it was a plane that couldn’t pitch up enough to exceed its own critical angle of attack, maybe it wouldn’t stall @jamesPLANESii

I remember reading somewhere about an "unstallable" plane that used like 6 layered wings to create lots of lift. I think Samm Sheperd made a video on it. Maybe it's something like that?

@Blue0Bull @Aerofy well, I learn something new every day, thanks!

I’m pretty sure stalling is when the airflow breaks away from the wing. If a plane doesn’t stall, it’s probably that the plane can’t keep it’s nose up enough to get down to a speed that it can stall at, or the wing is so efficient at making lift that it never truely breaks away... that’s just guessing though.