@HKAerodynamics I see. Though in my opinion, the MP5 is probably the best SMG in terms of performance and combat experience, although the MPL comes close.
However, the MP5, unlike the MPL, was backed by HK's superior marketing and its prolific and highly public use in the 1980 Iran Embassy seige, where six terrorists took over the Iranian Embassy in London and after a six-day standoff with British police with one of the 26 hostages killed by one of the terrorists, six SAS operatives zip-lined into the building and killed five of the six terrorists, live in front of British television during primetime on a public holiday.
While most famous for the immense publicity the SAS gained during the operation, Hecker-Koch used this opportunity as free publicity for their MP5 submachine gun, as the SAS used said weapon in the raid, and was subsequently adopted by many national militaries as well as many SWAT and special forces units worldwide.
Perhaps the only other SMGs that I feel have seen wider use is the Uzi and the Sten.
So let's put this in perspective. The Thumper seems like an amazing CAS plane, but the Pummeler will do just fine. And we know the Pummeler works well, because 70,000 were made, and are still being made. The competition, such as the XA-1 Rancor, the PDI A-1 Pummeler, PDI A-2 Boar, the LS-12/A-6 Anvil, the Vi-A-163 Stalker, and the CAS-037 Bulwark and Bulwark II. With so many cheaper choices, I doubt this aircraft will be exported widely. After all, Awwam uses the Bulwark II. @exosuit
@MadBomber It really depends who you are. If you're a well-supplied force such as a national army with too much money (e.g. America), then the M16 will do. If you're a poorly-supplied guerrilla force with not enough money to go around for maintenance, then the AK series is for you. The AK family is the kind of guns you can pick up, take a few shots, and leave it leaning on the wall for weeks or months without any maintenance before picking it up and using it again.
Even the AR-15 platform requires some maintenance, where the AK-47 really doesn't require any.
@MadBomber Lol. I'll tell the AK lovers that the quality of your average AK can vary from the finely-tuned Finnish, Czech, and East German AKs, to the pretty good Egyptian AKs, and then the acceptably functional and finished Russian and Chinese AKs, and then the barely functional weapons made in some state arsenal in a developing country, and then the Khyber Pass copies and rural African workshop copy which is as dangerous to the man wielding it as it is to the man it is pointed at.
@YuukaNeko That's the foregrip, inspired loosely by the Uzi.
It's made from stamped steel. No, it's not particularly ergonomic, but then again, weapons like the Sten, M3, Uzi, and MAC-10 aren't known for that. This isn't an M16, MP5, FAL, or Mauser rifle.
The only thing that's not made of stamped parts is the bolt (because it's easier to make a chuck of steel that also doubles as the firing pin and breech block from a literal chunk of steel) and the barrel, which is a necessity.
But this plane does the same job as the A-2 Boar, both are fitted with state of the art electronics and heavy armor, and the A-2 costs P$3.5M. @exosuit
Of note, the A-1 Pummeler usually adopts an attack profile akin to a rocket strafing attack. Pilots often use 250lb parachute bombs for this purpose, so they can fly low and fast without blowing them up. They are often fitted with DIE (Destructive Interference Emissions) equipment in the tail, in order to disrupt the accuracy of radar-based gun directors; the destructive interference of DIE serves to cancel out radar signals, requiring the guns to be manually sighted.
@GoldenEagle I have an awesome idea relating to this.
The T-54/55 (and its Chinese brother Type 59), M47/48/M60 Patton, Leopard 1, AMX 30, and Centurion tanks are all comparable machines from the same era, with service all over the world.
The nations who adopted them have since made variations, some with long histories. The major operators of each type will be represented by tanks of that type. For example, Israel historically operated the Patton series and the Centurion, and will be represented by Israeli Patton and Israeli Centurion.
These are considered cousins of the original series, and the respective Magach and Sho't upgrades are considered children of the export versions (Israeli Patton and Centurion) and therefore are nieces and nephews of the original Patton and Centurion.
There will be many themes involved with this Tank School RP branch, mirroring IRL vehicle development, the performance of these vehicles in combat, and the longevity of service.
Here are notable examples of that:
When Indian Centurion and Pakistani Patton constantly get into arguments over an old cashmere sweater, referring to the actual Indo-Pakistani dispute with the Kashmir region.
America Patton 48 and Australian Centurion sharing war stories from Vietnam, referring to the Australian involvement in the Vietnam War.
AMX-30 and Leopard 1 constantly arguing who is better, referring to the fact that both machines stemmed from the same development program.
Sho't Centurion telling stories, to T-55's displeasure, about how he and six of his buddies beat up a ton of Syrian T-55s at Golan Heights, referring to the actual Battle of Golan Heights in the Yom Kippur War.
T-55 and Type 59 constantly in an argument over who should be the "alpha tank", referring to the Sino-Soviet divide that happened after Stalin's death.
American M4 Sherman and Soviet T-34 reminiscing how they met each other in Torgau, referring to Elbe Day, where US forces advancing east met up with Soviet forces advancing west.
You convert it to fire blanks, remodel it into Han Solo's DL-44 Blaster pistol, and now you've got a collectible prop that you can sell for good money.
@GoldenEagle
That looks pretty cool.
@HKAerodynamics Yep. I think they tried to turn the MP5 into a precision marksman rifle.
As if they didn't already have the G3.
@YuukaNeko Should I make a Chauchat machine gun and trigger everyone by saying it isn't a pile of junk?
@HKAerodynamics I see. Though in my opinion, the MP5 is probably the best SMG in terms of performance and combat experience, although the MPL comes close.
However, the MP5, unlike the MPL, was backed by HK's superior marketing and its prolific and highly public use in the 1980 Iran Embassy seige, where six terrorists took over the Iranian Embassy in London and after a six-day standoff with British police with one of the 26 hostages killed by one of the terrorists, six SAS operatives zip-lined into the building and killed five of the six terrorists, live in front of British television during primetime on a public holiday.
While most famous for the immense publicity the SAS gained during the operation, Hecker-Koch used this opportunity as free publicity for their MP5 submachine gun, as the SAS used said weapon in the raid, and was subsequently adopted by many national militaries as well as many SWAT and special forces units worldwide.
Perhaps the only other SMGs that I feel have seen wider use is the Uzi and the Sten.
@Gmanndo1000 Thanks!
@GoldenEagle I heard you like the M16.
BAMBAMBAM! BAMBAMBAM! BAMBAMBAM!
Because you know, three-round burst? @Gmanndo1000
Thanks! @YuukaNeko @Valkyrie
You should make an MP5. Because you know, you're HK, and the MP5 was made by HK. @HKAerodynamics
Indeed. @Gmanndo1000
He got temporarily banned. @Valkyrie
So let's put this in perspective. The Thumper seems like an amazing CAS plane, but the Pummeler will do just fine. And we know the Pummeler works well, because 70,000 were made, and are still being made. The competition, such as the XA-1 Rancor, the PDI A-1 Pummeler, PDI A-2 Boar, the LS-12/A-6 Anvil, the Vi-A-163 Stalker, and the CAS-037 Bulwark and Bulwark II. With so many cheaper choices, I doubt this aircraft will be exported widely. After all, Awwam uses the Bulwark II. @exosuit
Paternian Army marksmen with M38 rifles are licking their lips so they can feast on those exposed suspensions with 12.7mm goodness.
@MadBomber It really depends who you are. If you're a well-supplied force such as a national army with too much money (e.g. America), then the M16 will do. If you're a poorly-supplied guerrilla force with not enough money to go around for maintenance, then the AK series is for you. The AK family is the kind of guns you can pick up, take a few shots, and leave it leaning on the wall for weeks or months without any maintenance before picking it up and using it again.
Even the AR-15 platform requires some maintenance, where the AK-47 really doesn't require any.
@MAHADI That's an M203. I can add one if you want, though that will take quite some time.
@YuukaNeko The M16A2. My favorite assault rifle in the world. Best in class.
@MAHADI Indeed.
@MadBomber Lol. I'll tell the AK lovers that the quality of your average AK can vary from the finely-tuned Finnish, Czech, and East German AKs, to the pretty good Egyptian AKs, and then the acceptably functional and finished Russian and Chinese AKs, and then the barely functional weapons made in some state arsenal in a developing country, and then the Khyber Pass copies and rural African workshop copy which is as dangerous to the man wielding it as it is to the man it is pointed at.
@YuukaNeko Yeah, that was one complaint about the weapon.
Permission to turn this into a proper M16A1/A2?
@YuukaNeko That's the foregrip, inspired loosely by the Uzi.
It's made from stamped steel. No, it's not particularly ergonomic, but then again, weapons like the Sten, M3, Uzi, and MAC-10 aren't known for that. This isn't an M16, MP5, FAL, or Mauser rifle.
The only thing that's not made of stamped parts is the bolt (because it's easier to make a chuck of steel that also doubles as the firing pin and breech block from a literal chunk of steel) and the barrel, which is a necessity.
@PINK I see.
@PINK It's alright. We wouldn't adopt it because we have comparable aircraft, such as the A-8 Hawk II.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation
@PINK I can tell.
@PINK Hello. Want some? They're about P$110 each.
Cheap, reliable, and powerful, the only thing they lack is range and accuracy.
@PINK @GoldenEagle @YuukaNeko
@Supermini555 While I am not a fan of the turret at all, I do like the hull. Permission to use it for a light tank hull?
My only complaint is that this tank does not have a single machine gun on it, which would make it vulnerable to close-range infantry attacks.
Lets see... both of them are twin-engine jet aircraft based off the A-10, featuring insanely big guns, lots of armor, and even more weapons. @exosuit
Thanks! @Liquidfox
But this plane does the same job as the A-2 Boar, both are fitted with state of the art electronics and heavy armor, and the A-2 costs P$3.5M. @exosuit
@MAHADI Yeah. For me, they are a bit too simplistic for my likes.
But I could see the appeal of your builds with the nostalgic who fondly remember the old days.
It's a bit too long imo.
@Berzerk No problem!
I see.
Of note, the A-1 Pummeler usually adopts an attack profile akin to a rocket strafing attack. Pilots often use 250lb parachute bombs for this purpose, so they can fly low and fast without blowing them up. They are often fitted with DIE (Destructive Interference Emissions) equipment in the tail, in order to disrupt the accuracy of radar-based gun directors; the destructive interference of DIE serves to cancel out radar signals, requiring the guns to be manually sighted.
I thought this was a contender to the Paternian A-1 Pummeler until I saw the price.
65 million Gold Dirhams. Or 910 million USD. A Victoria tank is cheaper than this. And the Victoria was known as a very expensive tank.
The third-generation Pummeler will set you back 350k Paternian dollars, or 1.75M USD. And the Pummeler has more firepower.
@GoldenEagle I have an awesome idea relating to this.
The T-54/55 (and its Chinese brother Type 59), M47/48/M60 Patton, Leopard 1, AMX 30, and Centurion tanks are all comparable machines from the same era, with service all over the world.
The nations who adopted them have since made variations, some with long histories. The major operators of each type will be represented by tanks of that type. For example, Israel historically operated the Patton series and the Centurion, and will be represented by Israeli Patton and Israeli Centurion.
These are considered cousins of the original series, and the respective Magach and Sho't upgrades are considered children of the export versions (Israeli Patton and Centurion) and therefore are nieces and nephews of the original Patton and Centurion.
There will be many themes involved with this Tank School RP branch, mirroring IRL vehicle development, the performance of these vehicles in combat, and the longevity of service.
Here are notable examples of that:
When Indian Centurion and Pakistani Patton constantly get into arguments over an old cashmere sweater, referring to the actual Indo-Pakistani dispute with the Kashmir region.
America Patton 48 and Australian Centurion sharing war stories from Vietnam, referring to the Australian involvement in the Vietnam War.
AMX-30 and Leopard 1 constantly arguing who is better, referring to the fact that both machines stemmed from the same development program.
Sho't Centurion telling stories, to T-55's displeasure, about how he and six of his buddies beat up a ton of Syrian T-55s at Golan Heights, referring to the actual Battle of Golan Heights in the Yom Kippur War.
T-55 and Type 59 constantly in an argument over who should be the "alpha tank", referring to the Sino-Soviet divide that happened after Stalin's death.
American M4 Sherman and Soviet T-34 reminiscing how they met each other in Torgau, referring to Elbe Day, where US forces advancing east met up with Soviet forces advancing west.
What do you think?
Cool!
@Supercraft888 lol go ahead, I was thinking someone would either (A) want me to turn it into a DL-44, or (B) turn it into a DL-44 themselves.
Well, the Nazis weren't around in WWI. @Berzerk
@PyrusEnderhunter No. They know that Awwam doesn't have that sort of tech. They view Awwami tech as inferior and nonfunctional.
@PyrusEnderhunter I think they will be impressed.
@PyrusEnderhunter I suppose.
@Liquidfox Oh.
@YuukaNeko Thanks!
@PyrusEnderhunter The people of Seattle are safe and happy now, thanks to the 33rd Armored Division, better known as the "Winged Hussars".
@Liquidfox Only one is allowed?
@PyrusEnderhunter Thanks!
@Liquidfox Not really...
You convert it to fire blanks, remodel it into Han Solo's DL-44 Blaster pistol, and now you've got a collectible prop that you can sell for good money.