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Me P.1101 (mit Schwing Ving)

82.2k SimplyPlain  3.4 years ago
Auto Credit Based on LieutenantSOT's WW2 (Fictional) Fighter Challenge! [CLOSED]

Slightly Fictional History

Is this one "fictional"? Not really, I guess. I changed the design somewhat, but still -the P.1101 was indeed designed by Messerschmitt, but never took to the skies because the war was finished before the plane. Later, though, Bell revived the design in their X-5.

The P.1101 was designed by Messerschmitt in 1944, following a call by the German government for an "emergency fighter" -fast, heavily armed, cheap and simple to build, even simpler to fly. Messerschmitt actually made several designs, some incorporating variable-sweep wings. The Focke-Wulf Ta 183 "Huckebein" won the design contest, but since much design work had already been put into the P.1101 it was decided to build at least one prototype for testing. In april '45, the 80% complete protoype was found by an American infantry unit, and the plane ended up at Bell Aircraft... who then used it as a basis for their X-5 in 1951.


Armament

The P.1101's nose was supposed to have been equipped with no less than four (4!) MK108 30mm autocannons, capable of ripping a large bomber to shreds in no time. In addition, it would have carried several Ruhrstal X-4 air-to-air missiles; these wire-guided missiles were supposed to "guarantee a kill" when used against bomber formations.
In keeping with the original design, I equipped this build with four cannons and two X-4 missiles. Don't expect too much of the latter, though; the range is limited, you have to keep a visual on your target all the time, and if that target gets too close you won't even have time to aim properly. Great for taking out a lumbering 4-engine bomber... if you're not going too fast, if you're not heading toward the target, if the target doesnt dodge, etc... useless in a manoeuvering dogfight.

Controls

The plane is easy enough to handle, but there are a few caveats; go too fast or brake too suddenly on the tarmac, and the landing gear's narrow base could cause you to lose control. Take off at some 200 km/h, and use the drag chute on landing.

AG1 toggles the sweep of the wings. With the wings swept back, the plane is faster but less manoeuvrable; best position to get to altitude fast -or to run from a bogey on your tail. With the wings swept forward, the roll rate isn't great but the plane will corner more tightly and is easier to control at low speeds.
AG2 activates the air brakes. No idea if Messerschmitt had thought of these, but they do come in handy sometimes... hence I added them. The same goes for the drag chute, activated by AG3.
AG8 is simply a toggle for the wingtip nav lights and engine smoke effect... of little consequence.

All other controls are standard; VTOL down for flaps (only with wings swept forward), trim=trim.

Note that this plane wasn't designed as a dogfighter, but as an interceptor to use "boom and zoom" tactics; get up to the bombers fast, take a few of 'em out on your way up, then again on your way back down... and do it all at high speed to get away from the escort fighters.

Happy hunting

Spotlights

General Characteristics

Performance

  • Power/Weight Ratio 1.734
  • Wing Loading 7.3lbs/ft2 (35.7kg/m2)
  • Wing Area 1,328.7ft2 (123.4m2)
  • Drag Points 1862

Parts

  • Number of Parts 762
  • Control Surfaces 0
  • Performance Cost 2,630
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    7,381 DJkekkeroni

    Okay, I laughed so hard when I read the title, good plane btw @SimplyPlain

    3.3 years ago
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    82.2k SimplyPlain

    @DJ2keroni "Schwenkflügeln", yes -but the "Schwing Ving" was intended as nothing more than a little joke in 'allo 'allo -style language... think Lt. Gruber :D :D
    Look up the show on Youtube... the jokes do get stale after about one season, but even the repetition is good for a few laughs.

    +1 3.3 years ago
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    7,381 DJkekkeroni

    The swing wings are called "Schwingflügel" or "bewegbare Flügel" in germany.

    3.3 years ago
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    2,121 Skyhawkarmy

    Yes indeed

    3.3 years ago
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    (Sorry to spam messages) Also, I will use this as a medium fighter in the challenge as you already have the dive bomber/ heavy fighter

    3.3 years ago
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    Well... a build that has a hyperlink to my challenge is on the front page, anyways

    3.3 years ago
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    @Skyhawkarmy lol! I completely agree. Simply put: if both of your planes make first place, I will only count one so that other people can get points too (same rule applies to other people who post multiple planes)

    Kinda funny that my garbage challenge is on the front page because of an amazing build like this... odd, really.

    3.3 years ago
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    2,121 Skyhawkarmy

    This is unfair you are the too goods for the challenge I wish to be like you but I have no hope anymore

    3.3 years ago
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    @SimplyPlain ok

    3.3 years ago
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    82.2k SimplyPlain

    @Mateuspilot True, the missiles are not perfect. Don't forget this is a 1945 plane; there were no Sparrows or Sidewinders back then. Air-to-air missiles simply did not exist before stuff like the Ruhrstahl X-4... these things were wire-guided, and the plane's pilot had to steer them to their target with a kind of joystick. He had to keep a good visual at all times, and when either he or the target were going too fast, were manoeuvering, were too close or too far apart etc. it simply didn't work. In this build, these difficulties are emulated by a very narrow range (1.5 to 3.5 km) and the fact that you have to maintain the lock until the missile hits. And that's making it easy; I might have made missiles that effectively have to be guided by the pilot, but since that would mean switching cam views (and abandoning control of the plane for the duration) the current setup seemed like a good compromise.
    Bottom line: no "fire-and-forget" with computer-controlled targeting in 1945, sorry.

    +1 3.3 years ago
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    @SimplyPlain but these 2 missiles do not focus on the enemy like a cleaver, and he’s not like a rocket pod that you can shoot whenever you want, try to see if you can

    3.4 years ago
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    82.2k SimplyPlain

    @Mateuspilot same way you shoot all missiles in SP, I guess...

    3.4 years ago
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    I like how Bell built an exact replica of a fixed-wing version of this and then ripped it off

    3.4 years ago
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    This is awesome!!!

    3.4 years ago
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    Best plane ever, how can i shot the 2 big air to air missiles?

    3.4 years ago
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    19.8k RandomUser09

    @SimplyPlain can you review my new plane plz ;)

    3.4 years ago