@ShatSlanger lol you're probably more underrated than I am. At least all your detailed creations are made by you, instead of me picking the most detailed replicas of planes made yet and refining them.
Because I am crap at making replicas. So I take someone else's replica and make it prettier.
Tanks and firearms are a different matter. Those tend to be original designs.
@Brields95 The Paternian Air Force operates a large variety of aircraft. Among them are dedicated ground attack types such as the A-1 Pummeler (our version of the A-1 Skyraider), A-2 Boar (our version of the A-10 Warthog), A-4 Skyhawk, AV-8 Harrier, A-8 Hawk II (similar to BaE Hawk), and A-9 Angel (basically the A-29 Super Tucano).
There, we have a 1:1 ratio of jet-powered strike fighters and prop-driven COIN aircraft. It once consisted of a 2:1:2 ratio between jet-powered strike fighters, heavy attackers (such as the A-10), and COIN aircraft, respectively. However, with advances in technology rendering types like the A-10 exceedingly vulnerable against advanced air defense systems on account of its low speed, we phased out heavy attackers. It was in an uncomfortable niche that was no longer necessary.
Think about it. The A-10 is so slow that a MiG-17 or F-86 Sabre could probably shoot it down. Yes, its maneuverability is comparable, if not superior, but that means nothing when the MiG or Sabre could simply boom and zoom the A-10 until it falls out of the sky.
Now see how an A-10 would fare against anti-aircraft missiles. Anti-aircraft missiles have this thing called a continuous rod warhead. What that thing does is when it goes off near the plane, it ejects an expanding steel ring that slices through the airplane like a giant knife. Any plane hit with that thing is a write-off at the least. The A-10 was designed to protect against explosive blast and fragmentation, which just puts holes or blasts chunks through the airframe. A continuous-rod warhead would cut the plane in half.
So the best option to dealing with a warhead that will decimate your plane regardless of its protection is to reduce the chances that such a missile will even hit you. This is done through electronic counter-measures on a fast plane. Yes, you won't be as accurate with unguided munitions, but that's why we have guided munitions.
Now the A-10 is perfectly capable against an opponent who doesn't have modern air defense systems. But the issue with the A-10 here is the fact it's complete overkill for the task. Do you need a flying 30mm anti-tank Gatling cannon when a simpler basic or advanced trainer with bomb racks will do the job? The trainer plane is a lot cheaper and although less powerful, is good enough against a foe whose air defense systems comprise of a pedestal-mounted heavy machine gun on the back of a Toyota truck.
@KillShot86 So far, the only things the SNAA and the Paternian Army share is the stuff the Paternian Army captured during our campaigns, such as Kalashnikov assault rifles, Walther P38 pistols, and T-55 main battle tanks. The general story around these is that they were captured in storehouses and depots because of the poor state of SNAA logistics.
Basically, you had them, but couldn't get them to the fighting men.
The Paternian Army would use captured Kalshnikov assault rifles until 1968, the P38 pistols until 1989, and the T-55 tanks until 2005.
@PyrusEnderhunter Your guns are part of the reason why we call you OP. Having a lightweight submachine gun with over 1500 rounds per minute, the hitting power of 7.92mm Kurz, and high controllability is what we call complete, unmitigated, brokenness.
Also, you can't really make a better assault rifle than an M16. It's widely considered the best assault rifle in the world.
@PyrusEnderhunter M193 bullets fired from an M16A1 don't go through people's bodies. They're not designed to.
They are designed to stay in your body so it can fragment and cut you up from the inside so you go down from internal bleeding because that one bullet just created a dozen wound channels inside your body.
It's barely humane. Which is why we switched over to the M855 and the M16A2. Because three-burst is good enough and M855 can punch through steel helmets at 600 meters. But it will still fragment inside you and leave half a dozen wound channels.
@PyrusEnderhunter The M855 round fired from an M16A2 is an armor-piercing round that was specifically designed to punch through a steel helmet at 600 meters. The M193 is a ball round and although may not punch through armor at that range, will probably still hurt a lot.
And my statement that an M16 can reliably hit targets at 800 meters with an M16 is true. This is the accuracy a US Marine can display with iron sights. True story.
The average Paternian soldier can expect to hit a man-sized target at 500 meters with an M16A1 on semi-automatic using iron sights, 75% of the time, provided the target is not under cover. This is quite high, given that the chances of getting hit in combat is essentially random, although the probability of getting hit is reduced if you have cover. Also know that they have more than one shot to hit you, so the probability of you evading
Also, the M16 is literally the best assault rifle made. The Mauser is to bolt-action rifles as the M16 is to assault rifles. There is a reason why the United States has used it for over 50 years, and with no sign of replacing it. Sure, you can say they are looking to get it replaced by the M4 or HK416, but know that both are essentially short-barreled M16 rifles with telescoping stocks and lots of Picatinny rails to go around. Even armies that went to using other designs such as the AUG and the FAMAS are going back to the reliable M16 and its derivatives.
When this rifle was invented, man had not been to space. Computers were the size of gymnasiums. The Boeing 707 was a unique and revolutionary design. And even in a world where we have a multinational space station, a billion people are connected to the Internet, and virtually every airliner mimics the configuration of the Boeing 707, the M16 is still considered just as modern as it was 50 years ago.
@PyrusEnderhunter No. You avoided CQC with Paternian soldiers, unless you have a deathwish. Sentian forces learned to keep their distance from Paternian forces, which made them more vulnerable to Paternian artillery and airstrikes.
Also, most troops were issued the M16A1 rifle. That thing is brutal. Its 5.56mm bullet can punch through body armor at 600 meters, and a competent marksman can hit you at 800 meters on semi-auto. Fires at 800 rounds per minute, and is quite controllable in short bursts. Feeds from a standard 20 round magazine, although 30 round magazines were also available.
For longer-distances, we have the M25 rifle, also known as the AR-10. That thing is about as controllable, uses a larger 7.62mm cartridge. You can reliably hit targets at ranges of 1,000 meters.
Sentian weapons were far less effective, and many resorted to using captured Paternian M16 and AR-10 rifles.
@PyrusEnderhunter It saw plenty of action in the Southern Rebellion. Its role in Operation Windlass was less significant.
In both cases, it wasn't too great as a reconnaissance vehicle, and was quickly replaced by armored cars in this role.
However, it was still very useful in policing actions against stragglers and guerilla forces. Its relatively light weight, effective protection, and good firepower made it quite viable.
And remember, the normal course of politics (and leadership, in general) mean that you will have to dick moves in order to achieve your goals. The trick is to not to do it to those who will keep you in power.
@ShatSlanger lol you're probably more underrated than I am. At least all your detailed creations are made by you, instead of me picking the most detailed replicas of planes made yet and refining them.
Because I am crap at making replicas. So I take someone else's replica and make it prettier.
Tanks and firearms are a different matter. Those tend to be original designs.
@Dllama4 Sure thing!
@Kt1578 Glad you appreciate it.
@Kt1578 Credit to @realluochen999 for the plane. I just made it prettier and gave it 220 gallon drop tanks.
Granted. Although I'm sure the troops are going to call it something else. @PINK
@PINK But the army who is using it is Chinese.
So for the sake of the officers and enlisted of the Chinese Armed Forces, give it a Chinese name.
@PINK It's primary operator is the Chinese army, so it should have a Chinese name.
Well, if you feel compelled to leave Waikiki, you have a slightly higher chance of running into me.
You should give it a Chinese name. @PINK
Lol @Dllama4
Both have the same general profile. @ian1547
Upgrade to the Alpha.
The Bravo is the V/STOL variant, and the Charlie is the conventional carrierborne warplane. @t8erh8er
They're the same as the ones on my A-4. @jamesPLANESii
.22 I think would do better. @KillShot86
@Makcoink This only discusses the actions of the Paternian Air Force and its Fighter Trinity doctrine, not that of any other air arm.
@503rdAirborneSoldier Make better planes.
If you're going to refurbish someone else's plane, you best make it a good one.
Well, I hope gun builds are fine.
Well, I do a lot of the same now for my plane builds, though my gun builds are generally my own work. @503rdAirborneSoldier
@Arhitekt It's a beautiful tank.
@Brields95 The Paternian Air Force operates a large variety of aircraft. Among them are dedicated ground attack types such as the A-1 Pummeler (our version of the A-1 Skyraider), A-2 Boar (our version of the A-10 Warthog), A-4 Skyhawk, AV-8 Harrier, A-8 Hawk II (similar to BaE Hawk), and A-9 Angel (basically the A-29 Super Tucano).
There, we have a 1:1 ratio of jet-powered strike fighters and prop-driven COIN aircraft. It once consisted of a 2:1:2 ratio between jet-powered strike fighters, heavy attackers (such as the A-10), and COIN aircraft, respectively. However, with advances in technology rendering types like the A-10 exceedingly vulnerable against advanced air defense systems on account of its low speed, we phased out heavy attackers. It was in an uncomfortable niche that was no longer necessary.
Think about it. The A-10 is so slow that a MiG-17 or F-86 Sabre could probably shoot it down. Yes, its maneuverability is comparable, if not superior, but that means nothing when the MiG or Sabre could simply boom and zoom the A-10 until it falls out of the sky.
Now see how an A-10 would fare against anti-aircraft missiles. Anti-aircraft missiles have this thing called a continuous rod warhead. What that thing does is when it goes off near the plane, it ejects an expanding steel ring that slices through the airplane like a giant knife. Any plane hit with that thing is a write-off at the least. The A-10 was designed to protect against explosive blast and fragmentation, which just puts holes or blasts chunks through the airframe. A continuous-rod warhead would cut the plane in half.
So the best option to dealing with a warhead that will decimate your plane regardless of its protection is to reduce the chances that such a missile will even hit you. This is done through electronic counter-measures on a fast plane. Yes, you won't be as accurate with unguided munitions, but that's why we have guided munitions.
Now the A-10 is perfectly capable against an opponent who doesn't have modern air defense systems. But the issue with the A-10 here is the fact it's complete overkill for the task. Do you need a flying 30mm anti-tank Gatling cannon when a simpler basic or advanced trainer with bomb racks will do the job? The trainer plane is a lot cheaper and although less powerful, is good enough against a foe whose air defense systems comprise of a pedestal-mounted heavy machine gun on the back of a Toyota truck.
Reminds me of Challenger.
I'm sure that's the inspiration, right?
@DestinyAviation Indeed.
@KillShot86 So far, the only things the SNAA and the Paternian Army share is the stuff the Paternian Army captured during our campaigns, such as Kalashnikov assault rifles, Walther P38 pistols, and T-55 main battle tanks. The general story around these is that they were captured in storehouses and depots because of the poor state of SNAA logistics.
Basically, you had them, but couldn't get them to the fighting men.
The Paternian Army would use captured Kalshnikov assault rifles until 1968, the P38 pistols until 1989, and the T-55 tanks until 2005.
@DestinyAviation Yes. The Paternian Republic is a superpower.
Those are 220 gallon drop tanks.
@PINK The logisticians at the Paternian Armed Forces are feeling bad for the logisticians at the Awwami Armed Forces.
@MAHADI This is your contest. The contest made just for you.
@DeezNuts52 Thanks!
@Alix451 It's mostly because that with a 1:7 twist works better in cold temperatures. Because we need to use this thing in Alaska.
@Botfinder No problem! It only says "VTOL and Trim control tank".
@Alix451 We liked the M855 better.
@Botfinder Tried VTOL and Trim forward?
VTOL controls left side, Trim controls right side.
@Cedy117 @Seeras
You leave me no choice.
@Seeras @Cedy117
You didn't pay attention to my discussion with exosuit over this.
Remove it or rename it.
I don't think you can post this. I suggest immediate removal, as this can offend some sensibilities.
Next warning, I'm tagging a moderator.
Yep.@marcox43
Probably the barrel shroud. @Flash0of0green
@PyrusEnderhunter Your guns are part of the reason why we call you OP. Having a lightweight submachine gun with over 1500 rounds per minute, the hitting power of 7.92mm Kurz, and high controllability is what we call complete, unmitigated, brokenness.
Also, you can't really make a better assault rifle than an M16. It's widely considered the best assault rifle in the world.
@PyrusEnderhunter M193 bullets fired from an M16A1 don't go through people's bodies. They're not designed to.
They are designed to stay in your body so it can fragment and cut you up from the inside so you go down from internal bleeding because that one bullet just created a dozen wound channels inside your body.
It's barely humane. Which is why we switched over to the M855 and the M16A2. Because three-burst is good enough and M855 can punch through steel helmets at 600 meters. But it will still fragment inside you and leave half a dozen wound channels.
The ALEK doesn't do that.
@PyrusEnderhunter The M855 round fired from an M16A2 is an armor-piercing round that was specifically designed to punch through a steel helmet at 600 meters. The M193 is a ball round and although may not punch through armor at that range, will probably still hurt a lot.
And my statement that an M16 can reliably hit targets at 800 meters with an M16 is true. This is the accuracy a US Marine can display with iron sights. True story.
The average Paternian soldier can expect to hit a man-sized target at 500 meters with an M16A1 on semi-automatic using iron sights, 75% of the time, provided the target is not under cover. This is quite high, given that the chances of getting hit in combat is essentially random, although the probability of getting hit is reduced if you have cover. Also know that they have more than one shot to hit you, so the probability of you evading
Also, the M16 is literally the best assault rifle made. The Mauser is to bolt-action rifles as the M16 is to assault rifles. There is a reason why the United States has used it for over 50 years, and with no sign of replacing it. Sure, you can say they are looking to get it replaced by the M4 or HK416, but know that both are essentially short-barreled M16 rifles with telescoping stocks and lots of Picatinny rails to go around. Even armies that went to using other designs such as the AUG and the FAMAS are going back to the reliable M16 and its derivatives.
When this rifle was invented, man had not been to space. Computers were the size of gymnasiums. The Boeing 707 was a unique and revolutionary design. And even in a world where we have a multinational space station, a billion people are connected to the Internet, and virtually every airliner mimics the configuration of the Boeing 707, the M16 is still considered just as modern as it was 50 years ago.
@PyrusEnderhunter No. You avoided CQC with Paternian soldiers, unless you have a deathwish. Sentian forces learned to keep their distance from Paternian forces, which made them more vulnerable to Paternian artillery and airstrikes.
Also, most troops were issued the M16A1 rifle. That thing is brutal. Its 5.56mm bullet can punch through body armor at 600 meters, and a competent marksman can hit you at 800 meters on semi-auto. Fires at 800 rounds per minute, and is quite controllable in short bursts. Feeds from a standard 20 round magazine, although 30 round magazines were also available.
For longer-distances, we have the M25 rifle, also known as the AR-10. That thing is about as controllable, uses a larger 7.62mm cartridge. You can reliably hit targets at ranges of 1,000 meters.
Sentian weapons were far less effective, and many resorted to using captured Paternian M16 and AR-10 rifles.
This was our experience in Africa.
@PINK The Paternian Air Force is not beyond using enemy IFF frequencies to infiltrate enemy air space.
@Botfinder It's a stealthy plane, but not as much as an F-22 or B-2.
That being said, it's better than a Super Hornet.
Not sure how an F-5 or A-4 would fare. They're pretty tiny planes.
@ColonelStriker Same.
Although I'm pretty sure it will suffer from power-creep, just like the actual thing.
This is an upgraded aircraft, and has the benefit of early DIE systems. @PINK
Thanks! @TAplanes
@TAplanes ?
@PyrusEnderhunter It saw plenty of action in the Southern Rebellion. Its role in Operation Windlass was less significant.
In both cases, it wasn't too great as a reconnaissance vehicle, and was quickly replaced by armored cars in this role.
However, it was still very useful in policing actions against stragglers and guerilla forces. Its relatively light weight, effective protection, and good firepower made it quite viable.
And remember, the normal course of politics (and leadership, in general) mean that you will have to dick moves in order to achieve your goals. The trick is to not to do it to those who will keep you in power.
Permission to make variant and have upgrades?
@Alix451 @PINK Invasion of ISFOS-held Africa