@PyrusEnderhunter Not all of them were burned. The Paternian Army encountered some in a Gabonese training ground; the incendiaries failed to ignite, and a dozen were captured.
@PyrusEnderhunter Nah. They were captured in Gabon and Congo, and given that we captured ~15,000 rifles, we issued them to rearline troops as the M50. They were unpopular and with no room for storage, most were scrapped. 100 were retained for familiarization training and analysis.
@PyrusEnderhunter Our bullets are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to kill.
That being said, if we need less lethal munitions, there's always low-brass 12-gauge loaded with rock salt, rubber slugs, wooden slugs, bean bag rounds, and tear gas rounds. This is why we keep shotguns in the inventory; their larger caliber and low operating pressures make them ideal for delivering less lethal loads.
7.62mm caliber bullets are larger than 5.56mm caliber bullets. How can a 7.62mm rifle cartridge be smaller than a 5.56mm rifle cartridge? @PyrusEnderhunter
@PyrusEnderhunter We tested the ALEK-50. It's shiet compared to the M16A2. The M16A2 has good accuracy (3MoA), great range (punch through steel helmet at 600m), power (internal tumbling + fragmentation in body + poor sod = FCUKED), and weather (M855 + 1:7 twist).
@PyrusEnderhunter We can offer back Sentian Africa under these conditions:
Disarmament of any blue-water naval capability
That 75% of all arms employed by the Sentian Armed Forces are Paternian-made or licensed
That we be allowed to have troops inside the nation
That only 1% of the GDP be used toward defense
That the Paternian Republic be made the Most Favored Nation for trade.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation It was designed for indirect fire. While this thing can be used in close range as an assault gun as it is fitted with prismatic periscopic gun sights and a 12.7mm machine gun, such a capability is secondary, and only incorporated to give the vehicles a fighting chance if forced to fight at close ranges.
Your MTTD is better at direct fire. Built off the chassis of a main battle tank, it can actually take a few hits from substantial weapons. As it is built off the chassis of the current main battle tank in your service, it can accompany them more easily. While its range is limited by its mount, this is less of an issue when employing the vehicle in direct fire. I suppose it does have a quadrant for long-range indirect fire, but I assume this function is secondary.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation It was designed in the early 1950's, with some inspiration from the MG42 and the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, both weapons which Fabrique Nationale had access to.
If you wish, the MG42 and MG3 are perfectly capable weapons. The MG42 is a true engineering marvel. In my opinion, its main weakness was its excessive fire rate. While it makes for devastating firepower, it reduces controllability, increases wear unnecessarily, and makes ammunition conservation difficult.
In reality, the M60 machine gun wasn't very good compared to other machine guns, although this could partially be attributed for a desire for a lightweight weapon. For all the (many) flaws of the M60, the fact it was well-liked by troops in Vietnam told much about its good qualities. The only complaint they had was its weight; although it was lighter than comparable designs, the M60 was still heavier than an M16. Due to its weight, it was known as the "pig". It was replaced by the MAG in the 1980's as the M240, although US Special Forces still use the M60E3/E4/Mk47 due to its light weight for caliber.
Paternian participation in the Battle of Australia was not particularly well-publicized, simply due to the fact that the Paternian Armed Forces did not constitute a significant portion of the Coalition order of battle. We only deployed four fighter squadrons (2 F-5, 1 F-104, 1 F-4) and a single Forward Task Force comprising of 10 scout submarines, 10 frigates, 5 destroyers, two light cruisers, and the PRN Oriskany (CVR-34). Compared to the hundred or so fighter, bomber, and strike squadrons in addition to numerous, larger task forces, our presence was quite small.
The perception of the Sentian Republic is that of a crazy nation. Your refusal to withdraw from Korea, against our advice given the situation, made it appear that you wanted war, that you were willing to needlessly sacrifice troops for a scrap of land. Korea was of little value and would have been certainly lost. He had all the significant advantages on any side; numbers, logistics, and positioning. For your forces in Australia to resupply the Korea garrison, they would have had to traverse 2,000 miles of ocean, of which a third of that would have heavy Chinese naval presence and be within range of land-based strike aircraft. If he wanted to resupply his attacking forces, they could go to depots 20 miles north of the Tumen and Yalu River. Forces attacking from the sea would have to be resupplied by sea, but aside from the occasional submarine, the Chinese Navy would have naval supremacy in the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea.
And we socialists treat the people well. That's the point of a socialist government.
Of course, we didn't completely dismantle the government framework. That's called stupidity.
@PyrusEnderhunter Actually, most Paternians were former Americans and Mexicans.
75% of the nation was Catholic. Last time I checked, Sentians aren't religious at all.
There were only 250,000 in Paternia, of which 75,000 were listed as "suspicious aliens" due to their association with the Sentian Federation. Most were released, leaving 4,500 imprisoned Sentians for a direct or indirect participation in sabotage acts.
19 is a small number. We know from captured documents in Congo that there were 500.
And remember, they aren't doing forced labor. They're under Paternian penal code, which expressedly forbids using those incarcerated for forced work.
While anti-Sentian sentiment is high, the Paternain National Gendarme have taken steps to ensure that they are not harmed. The police vehicles near many homes are less for monitoring them and more for deterring those who wish to commit crimes against them.
@PyrusEnderhunter Well, what's done is done. Sympathy for your nation is at an all-time low. Your state in Korea is the only asset you have. And I don't even know how long that's going to last.
You see, within any nation, there is a minority who is fiercely loyal, a minority which is fiercely resistant, and a majority of those who just want to get along with their lives and don't really care as long as there is stability.
As long as we can appease the majority through the restoration of order and stability, any sort of insurgency will be compromised from the beginning. We deny them any legitimacy through our actions. Our mission is to defend civilians at all costs, even if it means not killing every insurgent. Deprived of support, the insurgent will have to surrender. And those who surrender are well-treated, to encourage others to surrender when pressured by the Paternian Armed Forces.
@PyrusEnderhunter Now Hitler didn't use concentration camps. He used extermination camps.
Big difference. Concentration camps, or officially "Interment Camps", are designed to hold a large population of prisoners. Extermination camps, as used by Hitler, were designed to kill off as many undesirables as possible.
@PyrusEnderhunter They did. However, this time, we have charges against them, and we're giving each one a trial.
By your declaration that there are hundreds of sleeper agents who are ethnic Sentians, we must do what we did. Information Control have evidence that this assertion is true. We have the evidence that you did send sleeper agents, and if you claim that this is against international law, let me tell you that in virtually every nation, espionage against the state is a crime of the highest degree, worthy of the toughest punishments. It is the only crime in Paternia, that warrants a life sentence without rehabilitation and without any chance of parole.
Not all persons of Sentian origin are imprisoned though. Those who have lived in Paternia for many years and have essentially been naturalized, or those born and raised in Paternia who have culturally assimilated into Paternian culture are left alone. However, those who are recent arrivals or still maintain connections with the Sentian Federation are arrested for association with a hostile force.
Interesting. However, we prefer to use the FN MAG (aka M240) for use as a vehicle machine gun due to the way you can change the barrel, as well as its reliability.
@PyrusEnderhunter Your weapons were very advanced. So advanced that having them work half the time was a good thing.
Given the performance of Sentian troops in the Australia and Antarctica campaign compared to the performance of Chinese troops in Nepal, their training does have parity with the Chinese Army.
As for ships, a battleship is already an obsolete design. While useful in niche scenarios, they are very much secondary vessels, serving as floating AA citadels to defend carriers. The lack of naval aviation beyond liaision and spotting roles did hamper your ability to protect battleships from air attack.
In particular, Paternian A-4 Skyhawks and A-6 Intruders on very low-altitude strikes proved deadly against Sentian cruisers. Flying under the radar with toss-bombing tactics with unguided 1,00lb SAP bombs on the A-4s with their computer bombsights and skip-bombing tactics with 454kg HEAT bombs on the A-6s, the A-4s and A-6s were able to avoid the heavy losses taken by other air forces when attacking your ships, who employed standard medium-high altitude strikes.
Also using condensed U shells could qualify as nuclear warfare due to the radioactivity, and locust shells could qualify as entomological warfare, a subtype of biological warfare. Due to the legal grey area of employing uninfected locusts against crops, I would not condone such an activity.
@PyrusEnderhunter Don't treat alliances like personal friendships. Treat them as alliances. They are fluid and dynamic. Your allies now may not be your allies later, although alliances based on mutual benefit than those of convenience are most likely to last longest.
A key is to make yourself as useful as you can be to the ones you want to be friends with. MemeKing sells me oil and raw materials while we sell him F-104 Starfighters and M16 assault rifles.
Your position in Korea would have been disadvantageous in a conflict between China and the ISFOS. Your forces and his forces have parity in equipment, training, and morale, yet he has superior positioning and logistics. @PyrusEnderhunter
@PINK I think he's doing it just to piss you off.
@PINK @PyrusEnderhunter You can't Rush B China.
China Rush B you.
@PINK We can. Cede claims to India and I will not provide support for Persian invasion of Central Asia and provide support for the invasion of Korea.
@PyrusEnderhunter Not all of them were burned. The Paternian Army encountered some in a Gabonese training ground; the incendiaries failed to ignite, and a dozen were captured.
The bloodstained ones that we took off your guys. @PyrusEnderhunter
@PyrusEnderhunter We gave them manuals. They knew how to use it. We trained them.
It's just that many of the properties of the weapon wasn't very popular with soldiers.
And please, use standard measurements.
@PyrusEnderhunter Nah. They were captured in Gabon and Congo, and given that we captured ~15,000 rifles, we issued them to rearline troops as the M50. They were unpopular and with no room for storage, most were scrapped. 100 were retained for familiarization training and analysis.
@PyrusEnderhunter Our bullets are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to kill.
That being said, if we need less lethal munitions, there's always low-brass 12-gauge loaded with rock salt, rubber slugs, wooden slugs, bean bag rounds, and tear gas rounds. This is why we keep shotguns in the inventory; their larger caliber and low operating pressures make them ideal for delivering less lethal loads.
@PyrusEnderhunter It's similar, but not identical.
It is a much, MUCH simpler design.
7.62mm caliber bullets are larger than 5.56mm caliber bullets. How can a 7.62mm rifle cartridge be smaller than a 5.56mm rifle cartridge? @PyrusEnderhunter
The M16A2 is a proven weapon. Low recoil, high accuracy, good firepower, good reliability, high degree of customization, and plenty of stopping power.
How? 5.56mm NATO. Half of the world's armies use it. I can remaster the rifle and claim it was captured by Paternian forces.
By the way, what cartridge does the ALEK-50 use? @PyrusEnderhunter
@PyrusEnderhunter No F-4s.
We can deliver Northrops. But you need to restrict your defense spending to 1% of your GDP.
@Simpleplaneboy Credit to Cedy117 for the build.
@PyrusEnderhunter We tested the ALEK-50. It's shiet compared to the M16A2. The M16A2 has good accuracy (3MoA), great range (punch through steel helmet at 600m), power (internal tumbling + fragmentation in body + poor sod = FCUKED), and weather (M855 + 1:7 twist).
@PyrusEnderhunter We can offer back Sentian Africa under these conditions:
Disarmament of any blue-water naval capability
That 75% of all arms employed by the Sentian Armed Forces are Paternian-made or licensed
That we be allowed to have troops inside the nation
That only 1% of the GDP be used toward defense
That the Paternian Republic be made the Most Favored Nation for trade.
@PyrusEnderhunter They both knew that either way, both of them will win.
I know many far more humble business owners.
@PyrusEnderhunter Well, there isn't many good things to say about a egoistic narcissist.
Either way, the world recognizes that I have dislodged you from Africa. @PyrusEnderhunter
CNN is actually quite neutral. It's just that the American Right has moved so far from center that anything center is seeks liberal. @PyrusEnderhunter
It is known that Russia helped him a lot. He's cozied up to Putin. @PyrusEnderhunter
Our plans do not require your assistance. @PyrusEnderhunter
Yeah. Not a lot of internal space there. @MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation
I did not know you were Ukrainian. But do you think that Putin's pet (Trump) will do anything about it? @PyrusEnderhunter
Yes, Korea is very valuable. But it's also something that was indefensible from Chinese attack. @PyrusEnderhunter
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation Idk.
The profile of this tank reminds me of the E-25.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation It was designed for indirect fire. While this thing can be used in close range as an assault gun as it is fitted with prismatic periscopic gun sights and a 12.7mm machine gun, such a capability is secondary, and only incorporated to give the vehicles a fighting chance if forced to fight at close ranges.
Your MTTD is better at direct fire. Built off the chassis of a main battle tank, it can actually take a few hits from substantial weapons. As it is built off the chassis of the current main battle tank in your service, it can accompany them more easily. While its range is limited by its mount, this is less of an issue when employing the vehicle in direct fire. I suppose it does have a quadrant for long-range indirect fire, but I assume this function is secondary.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation Actually, there's coaxial versions of the M60.
@MemeKingIndustriesAndMegaCorporation It was designed in the early 1950's, with some inspiration from the MG42 and the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, both weapons which Fabrique Nationale had access to.
If you wish, the MG42 and MG3 are perfectly capable weapons. The MG42 is a true engineering marvel. In my opinion, its main weakness was its excessive fire rate. While it makes for devastating firepower, it reduces controllability, increases wear unnecessarily, and makes ammunition conservation difficult.
In reality, the M60 machine gun wasn't very good compared to other machine guns, although this could partially be attributed for a desire for a lightweight weapon. For all the (many) flaws of the M60, the fact it was well-liked by troops in Vietnam told much about its good qualities. The only complaint they had was its weight; although it was lighter than comparable designs, the M60 was still heavier than an M16. Due to its weight, it was known as the "pig". It was replaced by the MAG in the 1980's as the M240, although US Special Forces still use the M60E3/E4/Mk47 due to its light weight for caliber.
@PyrusEnderhunter Goodnight.
@PyrusEnderhunter Not really.
Paternian participation in the Battle of Australia was not particularly well-publicized, simply due to the fact that the Paternian Armed Forces did not constitute a significant portion of the Coalition order of battle. We only deployed four fighter squadrons (2 F-5, 1 F-104, 1 F-4) and a single Forward Task Force comprising of 10 scout submarines, 10 frigates, 5 destroyers, two light cruisers, and the PRN Oriskany (CVR-34). Compared to the hundred or so fighter, bomber, and strike squadrons in addition to numerous, larger task forces, our presence was quite small.
The perception of the Sentian Republic is that of a crazy nation. Your refusal to withdraw from Korea, against our advice given the situation, made it appear that you wanted war, that you were willing to needlessly sacrifice troops for a scrap of land. Korea was of little value and would have been certainly lost. He had all the significant advantages on any side; numbers, logistics, and positioning. For your forces in Australia to resupply the Korea garrison, they would have had to traverse 2,000 miles of ocean, of which a third of that would have heavy Chinese naval presence and be within range of land-based strike aircraft. If he wanted to resupply his attacking forces, they could go to depots 20 miles north of the Tumen and Yalu River. Forces attacking from the sea would have to be resupplied by sea, but aside from the occasional submarine, the Chinese Navy would have naval supremacy in the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea.
And we socialists treat the people well. That's the point of a socialist government.
Of course, we didn't completely dismantle the government framework. That's called stupidity.
Get onto Discord and talk this over.
@PyrusEnderhunter No. "Suspicious alien" in legal speak simply refers to individuals from a foreign nation whose activities are suspicious.
@PyrusEnderhunter Actually, most Paternians were former Americans and Mexicans.
75% of the nation was Catholic. Last time I checked, Sentians aren't religious at all.
There were only 250,000 in Paternia, of which 75,000 were listed as "suspicious aliens" due to their association with the Sentian Federation. Most were released, leaving 4,500 imprisoned Sentians for a direct or indirect participation in sabotage acts.
19 is a small number. We know from captured documents in Congo that there were 500.
And remember, they aren't doing forced labor. They're under Paternian penal code, which expressedly forbids using those incarcerated for forced work.
While anti-Sentian sentiment is high, the Paternain National Gendarme have taken steps to ensure that they are not harmed. The police vehicles near many homes are less for monitoring them and more for deterring those who wish to commit crimes against them.
@PyrusEnderhunter Well, what's done is done. Sympathy for your nation is at an all-time low. Your state in Korea is the only asset you have. And I don't even know how long that's going to last.
@PyrusEnderhunter I do not think it is fair to compare socialists to fascists. Espeically the socialists who defeated the fascists that was the SNAS.
@PyrusEnderhunter We won't have to.
You see, within any nation, there is a minority who is fiercely loyal, a minority which is fiercely resistant, and a majority of those who just want to get along with their lives and don't really care as long as there is stability.
As long as we can appease the majority through the restoration of order and stability, any sort of insurgency will be compromised from the beginning. We deny them any legitimacy through our actions. Our mission is to defend civilians at all costs, even if it means not killing every insurgent. Deprived of support, the insurgent will have to surrender. And those who surrender are well-treated, to encourage others to surrender when pressured by the Paternian Armed Forces.
Clinton is a smart lady.
I like the welded, wide-hatch better. @RAF1
I will certainly use your turret, if you let me. But I may make a new hull. @RAF1
A bit narrow in my opinion, but a good model. Maybe it's because I'm used to the (W) suspension.
You know what? I'm going to make that. M4A3(76)W HVSS/M4A3E8.
It was also tall because it originally used a radial engine, and the tall hull allowed the use of different engines.
@PyrusEnderhunter Now Hitler didn't use concentration camps. He used extermination camps.
Big difference. Concentration camps, or officially "Interment Camps", are designed to hold a large population of prisoners. Extermination camps, as used by Hitler, were designed to kill off as many undesirables as possible.
@PyrusEnderhunter They did. However, this time, we have charges against them, and we're giving each one a trial.
By your declaration that there are hundreds of sleeper agents who are ethnic Sentians, we must do what we did. Information Control have evidence that this assertion is true. We have the evidence that you did send sleeper agents, and if you claim that this is against international law, let me tell you that in virtually every nation, espionage against the state is a crime of the highest degree, worthy of the toughest punishments. It is the only crime in Paternia, that warrants a life sentence without rehabilitation and without any chance of parole.
Not all persons of Sentian origin are imprisoned though. Those who have lived in Paternia for many years and have essentially been naturalized, or those born and raised in Paternia who have culturally assimilated into Paternian culture are left alone. However, those who are recent arrivals or still maintain connections with the Sentian Federation are arrested for association with a hostile force.
@realluochen9999 Thanks!
+1@PyrusEnderhunter You're not helping your cause.
We have refrained from cruelty. But if we need cruelty, you can be assured that we will do so in excess.
Time for concentration camps!
@PyrusEnderhunter I won't give you the time to get big.
Imma go invade African territories. Seize it.
Your Navy have fired upon Paternian warships in international waters off the coast of Gabon.
Interesting. However, we prefer to use the FN MAG (aka M240) for use as a vehicle machine gun due to the way you can change the barrel, as well as its reliability.
@PyrusEnderhunter Your weapons were very advanced. So advanced that having them work half the time was a good thing.
Given the performance of Sentian troops in the Australia and Antarctica campaign compared to the performance of Chinese troops in Nepal, their training does have parity with the Chinese Army.
As for ships, a battleship is already an obsolete design. While useful in niche scenarios, they are very much secondary vessels, serving as floating AA citadels to defend carriers. The lack of naval aviation beyond liaision and spotting roles did hamper your ability to protect battleships from air attack.
In particular, Paternian A-4 Skyhawks and A-6 Intruders on very low-altitude strikes proved deadly against Sentian cruisers. Flying under the radar with toss-bombing tactics with unguided 1,00lb SAP bombs on the A-4s with their computer bombsights and skip-bombing tactics with 454kg HEAT bombs on the A-6s, the A-4s and A-6s were able to avoid the heavy losses taken by other air forces when attacking your ships, who employed standard medium-high altitude strikes.
Also using condensed U shells could qualify as nuclear warfare due to the radioactivity, and locust shells could qualify as entomological warfare, a subtype of biological warfare. Due to the legal grey area of employing uninfected locusts against crops, I would not condone such an activity.
Permission to reskin?
@PyrusEnderhunter Don't treat alliances like personal friendships. Treat them as alliances. They are fluid and dynamic. Your allies now may not be your allies later, although alliances based on mutual benefit than those of convenience are most likely to last longest.
A key is to make yourself as useful as you can be to the ones you want to be friends with. MemeKing sells me oil and raw materials while we sell him F-104 Starfighters and M16 assault rifles.
Your position in Korea would have been disadvantageous in a conflict between China and the ISFOS. Your forces and his forces have parity in equipment, training, and morale, yet he has superior positioning and logistics. @PyrusEnderhunter
Sometimes it's either you leave them behind and they die or you stay with them and you both die.
A good commander knows when to cede ground and when to hold it. @PyrusEnderhunter
@Supercraft888 1960, as of now.