@Sauce You're a very rude person, you know that? .-.
@AndrewGarrison I understand. Thank you so much for considering this PoV and hearing us out! I really appreciate this.
@Sauce You're obviously to intent on patronizing me to understand my point. How's about instead of talking down to me, your approach this matter with some level of echelon or tact and understand my point.
A tournament:
tour·na·ment
ˈtərnəmənt,ˈto͝ornəmənt/Submit
noun
1.
(in a sport or game) a series of contests between a number of competitors, who compete for an overall prize.
This is true of the shakers, they certainly compete for a prize. But may I remind you that it is a glider class tournament.
Glider:
glid·er
ˈɡlīdər/
noun
1.
a light aircraft that is designed to fly for long periods without using an engine.
The definition of an engine is as follows:
en·gine
ˈenjən/Submit
noun
1.
a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.
Shakers use a form of engine. Therefor, they are not gliders in function.
The tournament was for the glider class.
And class is defined as this:
class
klas/Submit
noun
1.
a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.
"A set category" and not "because it wins the race on a technicality".
I'm frustrated because gliders had no chance to win in a glider tournament.
Get it through your thick, pretentious membrane that shakers, by definition and by function, are not gliders.
You cannot argue with definition.
@Geekpride Slapping on a few weights onto a wing and exploiting how the game functions is not engineering. Everyone can do it, but it's a glider tournament, not a shaker tournament, two very different functions, mind you.
And maybe Garrison needs to rethink his position. Sure it's final for this race, but maybe he'll think twice this next time.
Shakers suck. They're not gliders, they do not function as gliders. I can give you the definition of a glider. In fact, here:
glid·er
ˈɡlīdər/
noun
1.
a light aircraft that is designed to fly for long periods without using an engine.
2.
a person or thing that glides.
"the flying lemur is an efficient glider as well as climber"
Might I refer you to the first context. "without using and engine."
en·gine
ˈenjən/Submit
noun
1.
a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.
The glitching, internally generated momentum provided by the glitch easily falls under the description of an engine, converting the power of the glitch into motion, which it obviously does.
Shakers are cheating trash. They are not gliders and do not belong in glider tournaments. If you're so intent on using shakers, then make a separate tournament for them. Don't glitch in here with your powered flight and screw up my glider tournament.
@Tully2001 I got to 2:18 before leaving it like it was. My morale sorta' tanked around that time XD
@MechWARRIOR57 Finally we see eye-to-eye!
@MrSilverWolf I've seen it. It's almost like a warp drive, dare I say. You can look at the tournament bracket and click on any of the heats with a shaker in it. It'll take you to the heat information and give you a link to the tournament stream, and play that specific part of the match.
@MrMecha I understand, thanks :D
@AstleyIndustries Yeah-- they don't exploit buggy physics in the game, but rather work with the physics to gain an advantage. That's real engineering.
@Testin123 Texas: Where everything's bigger!
@spefyjerbf They may be cleaver, but I judge true engineering not by how you surpass, manipulate or exploit parts of the game to make something work, but rather how you wield the forces that be. That's a lot harder, and a lot more respectable in my book, but I do just as well see your PoV.
@GINGER01 Mhmm-- sure. I don't much like your attitude either, chap :\ Tact, chap. Tact.
@GINGER01 T_T Okay yeh, I get it-- no. I'm too busy, so shush- I'm not salty that I lost. I've lost 100 other tournaments. I'm salty I lost to a bunch of cheaters.
@MrMecha Aye, thank you, friend. I don't mean to come across being so salty-- but... You understand where I'm coming from. I already don't have a chance against KiNo, now this? XD I can't win!
@GINGER01 A shaker is an aircraft that exploits a glitch in the game that causes the aircraft to shake violently, but doesn't rip the aircraft apart. A well-made shaker is capable of shaking its way through Eagle pass in under 53 seconds. And I've taken plenty of time away. I only join when I need to test a new design on other people or if I think I actually have a chance. I don't like being cheated, Ginger.
@Visify I don't like using glitches or mods. They feel too. . . . Unrealistic. You couldn't do that in real life, so I don't really count it as legitimate engineering :\
@Generalkeath Heck if I know, else I would have made one. Since you can complete Eagle Pass in less than a minute with a glitchy plane, I've not got a chance here, and neither do most of us :\
@Zkillerwolfe Wow, you're a bit hostile, eh? I missed it yes, but do you really have to be so jerky? I don't get why, though. How is a glitching wiggle-plane any fair to race against? Why not legit gliders only? Seriously, I've got no chance as it is without glitches all about.
@Delphinus Thank you much! Keep me posted and I'll do the same for you.
@Spikerya We have our friction.
@XT1L Alas, yes, XML modding is modding.
@Tully2001 This is true. I'm trying mach 5 at sea-level. all of my modern fighters actually have 2 engines.
@Visify I have tried that! I just can't them close enough together.
@RedHawk This is very true-- I've tried a few designs with hardly any drag, but there's a massive issue is with stability, ironically enough.
@Delphinus Depends. Is it modded?
@MechWARRIOR57 Might need to work on your perception. And an ultimatum is, in short, "Quit this, or else." And just cause you're getting a little angry doesn't mean you need to be passive-aggressive :P
@MechWARRIOR57 I'm getting a very passive-aggressive vibe from you. If you're angry with me, at least come out and say it. I gave you an ultimatum what-- three times now?
And that wasn't sarcasm, lol. You'd know it if it was, and that was not it.
@MechWARRIOR57 Then stop answering. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Either bring something to my attention you haven't said before, or just stop trying. I don't listen to "You can't without. . ." or "Just use mods." You know very well by now in our last encounters I don't accept these as valid answers.
@MechWARRIOR57 I will. I showed you with the catapult, I showed you with VTOL. Just-- unless you can quit saying "Not without mods or a pile of engines" like a broken record, I'm going to have to ask you kindly to shut up, because I don't want to hear it.
@MechWARRIOR57 I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about what you think is "not possible" or "improbable". I never asked what you can't do, I want to hear what you can do! Quit being so close-minded, you bummer.
I'm conflicted. I can either keep my glider a secret and have a shot at winning-- or reveal my tips and tricks and help other players---- but then instantly get beat out by everyone, their brother and their little dog, too....
Moral dilemma on SP. I don't like this.
@MechWARRIOR57 Here's the thing: I fixed it! WITHOUT MODS! HAH!
If I remember rightly, you said the same thing about a launcher. Did that one, too. Without mods. Open your mind and tinker, man! Mods are kinda' cheap if you use them for everything.
@xXCrazyPlaneCreatorXx Glad you think so, thank you! I try to make them look familiar and sleek enough to look like a functional jet-- but alien enough know-- hey-- this is flown by bird people.
I'ma sign up~ Is a scale model acceptable? I work on colonial ship concepts irl, but none of them fit in SP, let alone could I run them XD
@Sauce Just stop.
@Sauce You're a very rude person, you know that? .-.
@AndrewGarrison I understand. Thank you so much for considering this PoV and hearing us out! I really appreciate this.
@Sauce You're obviously to intent on patronizing me to understand my point. How's about instead of talking down to me, your approach this matter with some level of echelon or tact and understand my point.
A tournament:
tour·na·ment
ˈtərnəmənt,ˈto͝ornəmənt/Submit
noun
1.
(in a sport or game) a series of contests between a number of competitors, who compete for an overall prize.
This is true of the shakers, they certainly compete for a prize. But may I remind you that it is a glider class tournament.
Glider:
glid·er
ˈɡlīdər/
noun
1.
a light aircraft that is designed to fly for long periods without using an engine.
The definition of an engine is as follows:
en·gine
ˈenjən/Submit
noun
1.
a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.
Shakers use a form of engine. Therefor, they are not gliders in function.
The tournament was for the glider class.
And class is defined as this:
class
klas/Submit
noun
1.
a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.
"A set category" and not "because it wins the race on a technicality".
I'm frustrated because gliders had no chance to win in a glider tournament.
Get it through your thick, pretentious membrane that shakers, by definition and by function, are not gliders.
You cannot argue with definition.
@Geekpride I'd hope not. I'm plum tired of shakers.
@Sauce Nah. Just frustrated at the fact I almost had a chance, then gliders that aren't even gliders steal the tournie :\ Not cool.
@EternalDarkness Wow. We agree on something-- I'm actually kinda' surprised XD
@Geekpride It's kinda' funny how your only argument is against a figure of speech :P
@AndrewGarrison
@Geekpride Slapping on a few weights onto a wing and exploiting how the game functions is not engineering. Everyone can do it, but it's a glider tournament, not a shaker tournament, two very different functions, mind you.
And maybe Garrison needs to rethink his position. Sure it's final for this race, but maybe he'll think twice this next time.
Shakers suck. They're not gliders, they do not function as gliders. I can give you the definition of a glider. In fact, here:
glid·er
ˈɡlīdər/
noun
1.
a light aircraft that is designed to fly for long periods without using an engine.
2.
a person or thing that glides.
"the flying lemur is an efficient glider as well as climber"
Might I refer you to the first context. "without using and engine."
en·gine
ˈenjən/Submit
noun
1.
a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion.
The glitching, internally generated momentum provided by the glitch easily falls under the description of an engine, converting the power of the glitch into motion, which it obviously does.
Shakers are cheating trash. They are not gliders and do not belong in glider tournaments. If you're so intent on using shakers, then make a separate tournament for them. Don't glitch in here with your powered flight and screw up my glider tournament.
@Tully2001 I got to 2:18 before leaving it like it was. My morale sorta' tanked around that time XD
@MechWARRIOR57 Finally we see eye-to-eye!
@MrSilverWolf I've seen it. It's almost like a warp drive, dare I say. You can look at the tournament bracket and click on any of the heats with a shaker in it. It'll take you to the heat information and give you a link to the tournament stream, and play that specific part of the match.
@Zkillerwolfe Ah, I gotcha.
@Tully2001 Finally, someone understand what I'm talking about! :D
@MrMecha I understand, thanks :D
@AstleyIndustries Yeah-- they don't exploit buggy physics in the game, but rather work with the physics to gain an advantage. That's real engineering.
@Testin123 Texas: Where everything's bigger!
@spefyjerbf They may be cleaver, but I judge true engineering not by how you surpass, manipulate or exploit parts of the game to make something work, but rather how you wield the forces that be. That's a lot harder, and a lot more respectable in my book, but I do just as well see your PoV.
@GINGER01 Mhmm-- sure. I don't much like your attitude either, chap :\ Tact, chap. Tact.
@GINGER01 T_T Okay yeh, I get it-- no. I'm too busy, so shush- I'm not salty that I lost. I've lost 100 other tournaments. I'm salty I lost to a bunch of cheaters.
@MrMecha Aye, thank you, friend. I don't mean to come across being so salty-- but... You understand where I'm coming from. I already don't have a chance against KiNo, now this? XD I can't win!
@GINGER01 A shaker is an aircraft that exploits a glitch in the game that causes the aircraft to shake violently, but doesn't rip the aircraft apart. A well-made shaker is capable of shaking its way through Eagle pass in under 53 seconds. And I've taken plenty of time away. I only join when I need to test a new design on other people or if I think I actually have a chance. I don't like being cheated, Ginger.
How'd you detach the tail...? Mods 'er something?
@Hockeygoalie21 Aaaand how does that help anything? XD I accept we have no chance! That's why I said "Grats"
Welp. Here goes literally nothing! Grats to the shake planes. You've already won.
@xXCrazyPlaneCreatorXx Well thank you much ^^; Might I suggest my more recent swing wing work? It works better :D
@Quintasoarus "Shaker" tournament is more like it.
@Visify I don't like using glitches or mods. They feel too. . . . Unrealistic. You couldn't do that in real life, so I don't really count it as legitimate engineering :\
@Zkillerwolfe Well them I'm screwed, aren't I? That's what I get for trying to do things legit.
@Generalkeath Heck if I know, else I would have made one. Since you can complete Eagle Pass in less than a minute with a glitchy plane, I've not got a chance here, and neither do most of us :\
@TheRedStormer I don't remember asking you :\
Glitch planes and gliders capable of -53. I've got no chance, do I? Like-- actually no chance whatsoever. Should I even try? :U
@Zkillerwolfe Wow, you're a bit hostile, eh? I missed it yes, but do you really have to be so jerky? I don't get why, though. How is a glitching wiggle-plane any fair to race against? Why not legit gliders only? Seriously, I've got no chance as it is without glitches all about.
@GrumpyRacing Shakers are being disqualified, though D: Garrison said he'd be disqualifying them.
Anyone willing to share their best times so far?
@AndrewGarrison Thank you, sire! Gives us a fair fight.
@Delphinus Thank you much! Keep me posted and I'll do the same for you.
@Spikerya We have our friction.
@XT1L Alas, yes, XML modding is modding.
@Tully2001 This is true. I'm trying mach 5 at sea-level. all of my modern fighters actually have 2 engines.
@Visify I have tried that! I just can't them close enough together.
@RedHawk This is very true-- I've tried a few designs with hardly any drag, but there's a massive issue is with stability, ironically enough.
@Delphinus Alas, I can't accept that-- I've gotta' do it without mods :\
@MechWARRIOR57 I'd say the same about you :P
@Delphinus Depends. Is it modded?
@MechWARRIOR57 Might need to work on your perception. And an ultimatum is, in short, "Quit this, or else." And just cause you're getting a little angry doesn't mean you need to be passive-aggressive :P
Which entries here are NOT modded? I'm not here for the challenge-- I'm just in search of a vanilla mach 5 experiment.
@MechWARRIOR57 I'm getting a very passive-aggressive vibe from you. If you're angry with me, at least come out and say it. I gave you an ultimatum what-- three times now?
And that wasn't sarcasm, lol. You'd know it if it was, and that was not it.
@MechWARRIOR57 Have fun.
@MechWARRIOR57 Then stop answering. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Either bring something to my attention you haven't said before, or just stop trying. I don't listen to "You can't without. . ." or "Just use mods." You know very well by now in our last encounters I don't accept these as valid answers.
@MechWARRIOR57 I'm sorry, bu your answer falls under the category "don't answer" you may either hang up or try again.
@MechWARRIOR57 I'll make it simple.
Do one of the following when "answering my question":
If none of these can be achieved, don't answer.
EDIT: Without mods. You know my policy on mods.
@MechWARRIOR57 I will. I showed you with the catapult, I showed you with VTOL. Just-- unless you can quit saying "Not without mods or a pile of engines" like a broken record, I'm going to have to ask you kindly to shut up, because I don't want to hear it.
@MechWARRIOR57 I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about what you think is "not possible" or "improbable". I never asked what you can't do, I want to hear what you can do! Quit being so close-minded, you bummer.
I'm conflicted. I can either keep my glider a secret and have a shot at winning-- or reveal my tips and tricks and help other players---- but then instantly get beat out by everyone, their brother and their little dog, too....
Moral dilemma on SP. I don't like this.
Wasn't KiNo? Surprising.
@xXCrazyPlaneCreatorXx How so? :O
@xXCrazyPlaneCreatorXx Danke, much! :3
@Frant24 Thanks! And I dunno, you're the one using it XD
@MechWARRIOR57 Ya'll gotta' start tinkering more :\ Doesn't work? Fix it.
Eew, no. No demons for me, thanks.
@MechWARRIOR57 Here's the thing: I fixed it! WITHOUT MODS! HAH!
If I remember rightly, you said the same thing about a launcher. Did that one, too. Without mods. Open your mind and tinker, man! Mods are kinda' cheap if you use them for everything.
@xXCrazyPlaneCreatorXx Glad you think so, thank you! I try to make them look familiar and sleek enough to look like a functional jet-- but alien enough know-- hey-- this is flown by bird people.