@Mostly It absolutely boosted the development of many things. I think we're on the same page. Development would continue, but slowly. Maybe not with the RAF, but in Germany or the USA, maybe even France (lol). I'm studying the 20's and 30's right now, tech was moving at an incredible rate even in the Great Depression. They had doubled the air-speed record to over 400mph in only 10 years, mostly due to advances in turbochargers.
@Mostly Absolutely. I can agree with that. But my point is that the technological innovations people attribute to WW2 would have come along just the same without all the carnage. The war effort certainly accelerated development, but many of these devices already existed as prototypes before the war and would have continued development at a slower pace in any event. Wars happen, and we'd be fools not to stay prepared, but it's also foolish to think of war as benevolent, just my opinion. (PS: Cannons actually evolved out of firearms instead of vice-versa. Weird, huh?)
@Mostly The 003 wasn't the first functional jet engine, it wasn't even the first one to fly. The Heinkel 178 first flew a month before the war started, and research would have marched on had the war never happened. The BMW designs were good, but too early to be reliable. Had the war not rushed development, the first engines to see production would have been in the early 50's and probably would have been much better in terms of matallurgy.
@Mostly Turbofans did not see practical application untill the late 1950's in the form of the Rolls Royce Conway engine, but developmental experiments were conducted throughout the 40s.
Turbo-JETS, were constructed by German and English engineers throughout the 1930's. Here is a picture of Hans Ohain standing next to one of his engines in 1935, 4 years before WW2. Please understand that these designs were not pulled out of thin air, they were built around research and experiments that had been carried out for many, many decades. To declare the first practical application as "the invention" of something is to miss the entire point.
I had this problem with my Foxbat. I cannot tell you WHY it happened, but I can tell you when. I would get ultra shiny surfaces when I scaled a part up too much, I think it was something like 5×1×14, maybe longer. All my attempts to 'fix' the part resulted in the shine returning later. In the end I had to throw the part out and substitute multiple smaller pieces. Good luck.
@Mostly As I said, turbojet designs were produced in France and England throughout the first 3 decades of the 20th century. A common problem with history is that people fail to take a long view of things, they don't see the centuries of development and merely recognize a single "eureka" moment.
@Mostly I'm not so sure you read all of what I was saying but basically the TLDR is that 9/10's of the tech we associate with WW2 was under development for many decades before it was rushed into wartime applications. The jet being a primary example. Yes, the first jet planes flew during the war but people had been building rockets and ramjets for centuries, and the first turbojet engines were designed throughout the first half of the 20th. Sure, huge developments were made in the 40's but they were the tip of a very old iceberg. I can discuss this at length if you want, but if you're just here for lulz thats fine too.
Thats funny but I gotta say: I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of those jets they have, especially their Shenyang J-5's. That place is for classic jets what Cuba is for classic cars.
@MrTyTheGreat Not on here, I do try to make my planes handle realistically at certain altitudes, but thats mostly with mass scaling and thrust scaling.
Most of my builds are replicas, and I use a lot of geometry measuring blueprints and comparing them to photos, etc. I also use it a lot with positioning and angling parts. For example, I made the "tail feathers" from scratch on the Mig-25's afterburners based off of the diameter of the engine. I also used a ton of geometry to try to recreate the birdcage nose of a B-29 that I never finished.
@GINGER01 Before I respond, please bear in my I do not hold our disagreement against you, as a matter of fact I used to feel as you do and may again some day.
You are looking at the tips of the mountains and proclaiming "see how the clouds touch them, surely it is the sky that holds them up." The first electronic computer was built in 1936, in somebody's living room. The first RADAR unit was built in 1903 for civilian nautical purposes. Penicillin was discovered by accident. You are right about rockets, they evolved from a weapon devised in the 1300's; but it would be some fuzzy math to attribute 600 years of R&D to World War 2.
The problem here is we have butchers standing on the shoulders of giants, we throw unimaginable fortunes into the fire while education takes a back seat.
@GINGER01 The Jumos were rushed into production and unreliable, like most of the other late war German designs. Without the war, the technology would have been developed just the same. The war merely accelerated technology already under development, except for nuclear weapons which we'd be better off without. Competition inspires innovation, and war is certainly the most brutal competition, but competition can take other less destructive forms.
@CringyAsPlanes Exactly, invented during a 20 year period of peace. Most of the science we associate with war is discovered/invented peacefully, then applied to warfare.
@Timewolf This one is well detailed. If there are things you don't know how to make, download someone else's plane that you like and pull it apart to see how thry made it. That's how I learn.
@IGNikolaev You did a very good job, I recognized it immediately.
@MesserschmittCockatiel Heh, I'll probably spend 4 weeks.
Awesome, as always.
Hopefully, I'll be working on one of these pretty soon.
You sure it's not the MC-72? Very nice work! I'm working on the S6 right now.
@Botfinder Gotcha. Sorry if that came off overly aggro. Metric is all base-10, so it's pretty easy math once you figure out whats what.
@Mostly It absolutely boosted the development of many things. I think we're on the same page. Development would continue, but slowly. Maybe not with the RAF, but in Germany or the USA, maybe even France (lol). I'm studying the 20's and 30's right now, tech was moving at an incredible rate even in the Great Depression. They had doubled the air-speed record to over 400mph in only 10 years, mostly due to advances in turbochargers.
@Mostly Absolutely. I can agree with that. But my point is that the technological innovations people attribute to WW2 would have come along just the same without all the carnage. The war effort certainly accelerated development, but many of these devices already existed as prototypes before the war and would have continued development at a slower pace in any event. Wars happen, and we'd be fools not to stay prepared, but it's also foolish to think of war as benevolent, just my opinion. (PS: Cannons actually evolved out of firearms instead of vice-versa. Weird, huh?)
@Mostly The 003 wasn't the first functional jet engine, it wasn't even the first one to fly. The Heinkel 178 first flew a month before the war started, and research would have marched on had the war never happened. The BMW designs were good, but too early to be reliable. Had the war not rushed development, the first engines to see production would have been in the early 50's and probably would have been much better in terms of matallurgy.
@Mostly Turbofans did not see practical application untill the late 1950's in the form of the Rolls Royce Conway engine, but developmental experiments were conducted throughout the 40s.
Turbo-JETS, were constructed by German and English engineers throughout the 1930's. Here is a picture of Hans Ohain standing next to one of his engines in 1935, 4 years before WW2. Please understand that these designs were not pulled out of thin air, they were built around research and experiments that had been carried out for many, many decades. To declare the first practical application as "the invention" of something is to miss the entire point.
VTOL is much simpler now that we have gyros to keep things stable at low speed.
I had this problem with my Foxbat. I cannot tell you WHY it happened, but I can tell you when. I would get ultra shiny surfaces when I scaled a part up too much, I think it was something like 5×1×14, maybe longer. All my attempts to 'fix' the part resulted in the shine returning later. In the end I had to throw the part out and substitute multiple smaller pieces. Good luck.
Don't neglect the Overload mod. Easy access to disable collisions and other xml tweaks that save TONS of time.
@Mostly As I said, turbojet designs were produced in France and England throughout the first 3 decades of the 20th century. A common problem with history is that people fail to take a long view of things, they don't see the centuries of development and merely recognize a single "eureka" moment.
@Mostly I'm not so sure you read all of what I was saying but basically the TLDR is that 9/10's of the tech we associate with WW2 was under development for many decades before it was rushed into wartime applications. The jet being a primary example. Yes, the first jet planes flew during the war but people had been building rockets and ramjets for centuries, and the first turbojet engines were designed throughout the first half of the 20th. Sure, huge developments were made in the 40's but they were the tip of a very old iceberg. I can discuss this at length if you want, but if you're just here for lulz thats fine too.
@Phantom1 Thanks
I never realized England made whiskey! Also, cool build.
@Aidan301148 No, the autocredit did NOT work and 4 people have already made copies and the dude who actually made this thing isn't getting any credit.
Its nice to see someone on here paying attention to how their plane actually handles.
Awesome work
Sweet ride
@COENTHETESTPILOT Sure, go right ahead.
Thats funny but I gotta say: I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of those jets they have, especially their Shenyang J-5's. That place is for classic jets what Cuba is for classic cars.
@Stellarlabs lololol
@Stellarlabs Sorry man, no can talk. Gotta keep it kid friendly. :)
@MrTyTheGreat Not on here, I do try to make my planes handle realistically at certain altitudes, but thats mostly with mass scaling and thrust scaling.
Kinda Romulan looking, in a good way.
OCHO! I love these little green monsters.
@GINGER01 Ya man! As much as I remind myself WW2 was a tragedy, Im also obsessed with it and love the opportunity to discuss it. So thank you.
Most of my builds are replicas, and I use a lot of geometry measuring blueprints and comparing them to photos, etc. I also use it a lot with positioning and angling parts. For example, I made the "tail feathers" from scratch on the Mig-25's afterburners based off of the diameter of the engine. I also used a ton of geometry to try to recreate the birdcage nose of a B-29 that I never finished.
Hey, at least the math might improve your building skills. I've used geometry like that numerous times here.
Posting orher people's uncredited work is a BIG NO-NO
@GINGER01 Before I respond, please bear in my I do not hold our disagreement against you, as a matter of fact I used to feel as you do and may again some day.
You are looking at the tips of the mountains and proclaiming "see how the clouds touch them, surely it is the sky that holds them up." The first electronic computer was built in 1936, in somebody's living room. The first RADAR unit was built in 1903 for civilian nautical purposes. Penicillin was discovered by accident. You are right about rockets, they evolved from a weapon devised in the 1300's; but it would be some fuzzy math to attribute 600 years of R&D to World War 2.
The problem here is we have butchers standing on the shoulders of giants, we throw unimaginable fortunes into the fire while education takes a back seat.
@GINGER01 The Jumos were rushed into production and unreliable, like most of the other late war German designs. Without the war, the technology would have been developed just the same. The war merely accelerated technology already under development, except for nuclear weapons which we'd be better off without. Competition inspires innovation, and war is certainly the most brutal competition, but competition can take other less destructive forms.
@CringyAsPlanes Exactly, invented during a 20 year period of peace. Most of the science we associate with war is discovered/invented peacefully, then applied to warfare.
@BaconEggs lololol
@CCXRCC Yeah man! You put a lot of time into this thing, you deserve some recognition.
Pretty cool
Holy crap, this is pretty cool!
Simple, but graceful. Nice work!
Great attention to detail!
Just do a zero part-count upload, because that's about all that would be left after WWIII.
Impressive as usual
My backpack's got jets
Yeah man! You should do a Fokker Scourge
Impressive detail
Excellent choice
@RoOkieee Yeah, and this is a nice looking ship
Congratulations, on getting featured! This thing is cool.
@Timewolf This one is well detailed. If there are things you don't know how to make, download someone else's plane that you like and pull it apart to see how thry made it. That's how I learn.