@AircraftoftheRedStar Cool. I was gonna make a Mig 17, but someone recently made a very good looking one so there's no real need. I kind of want to remake my Foxbat, but maybe I should save that for later.
I'm pretty mad about your description of this thing, @Zandgard
You've made an excellent model, and the sacrifices of the Ubootwaffe should be remembered, but the Seehund project was a sick testament to just how desperate and degenerate the Third Reich had become.
The crews of those "boats" were children. Given almost no training, forced to take dangerous drugs to keep them continuously awake for 96 hour missions and sitting in their own urine and feces, those poor kids died in the North Sea like kittens drowned in a sack. The whole German minisub program amounted to little more than kamikaze, but with the illusion of a chance for survival.
I often wonder how actual Eastern Europeans feel about these crude impersonations. Do they find them funny, or is it more like Monty Scott from Star Trek where it doesn't even register to Scottish people that he's trying to be scottish?
@FastDan weight isnt your problem, center of mass is. Try to keep all the heavy stuff as low as possible. Also, you can increase traction by using wings the push the vehicle downward, some people even use jet engines to push their cars into the ground.
@Carbonfox1 When you're carrying 1/5 as much cargo only 1/2 as far 100mph slower, you don't need 4 engines. But if that's not enough, 4 turboprops are still less maintenance than a pair of WW2 era radials.
The Caribou doesn't really compare to the Hercules in the exact same way a Beaver doesn't compare to a DHC-4. Different animals doing jobs on a completely different scale.
@ForeverPie Pie, we all like Mattangi. And we miss him. He might be dead, or he might not be, but he's certainly not posting on here anymore. Whatever you choose to believe about this whole thing, please keep in mind that no one is trying to be hurtful.
@Dexa Bouyancy in front of the main wings is fine. Everything behind the main wings needs to be able to drop at least 30° during takeoff (and you don't want it underwater so bouyancy is fine as long as its not preventing the plane from tilting up in the front), notice how much the belly slants upwards towards the tail of this PBY Catalina:
Like it or not, this is the internet. Everyone here will just have to decide for themself what they want to believe. There is no "solid evidence" and there most likely won't be. There are only words and feelings and trust, or a lack thereof.
The events in Korea are tragic, and we are all sad to see young and talented people go to their graves so early.
Whatever happened to Mattangi, it's abundantly clear that he won't be posting on here anymore. That in itself is saddening. But anything beyond this can only be speculation.
@Awsomur Perhaps. I don't claim to know much about Korea. I do know that here in the states, they train you for years before you get into a jet like that. Officer school, flight school, designated trainer aircraft like the T-38, all before you even begin to train in an F-15.
I am pretty sure you need more than a few months of training before they put you in either seat of an F-15. How much training would you require someone recieve before getting behind the controls of your 100 million dollar jet?
@ThePrototype Gyros would probably be your best bet, but I have very little understanding of how they work on here.
For just wings, I imagine the shortest possibe configuration for high stability would be a normal "tractor" setup like a P-51 Mustang, Piper Cub, etc. Engine/weight followed by wings, followed by control in the tail.
With a pusher-canard setup, you don't need the fuselage to protrude so far forward. The weight sits in the middle, ahead of the main wings and you stick the elevators on the nose. This should prove a bit shorter but also less stable because the weight is so close to the vertical tail.
@blackvultureaeroespace Bah. Going up against the combined fleets of US and UK was silly. They needed the Luftwaffe to quit goofing around and support the subs, and the Kreigsmarine to give them enough resorces to have the proper number of subs to cut off England. Ego stood in the way of pragmatism.
@blackvultureaeroespace Honestly, the ship was doomed at launch. Using a capital ship as a commerce raider is blatantly stupid. Donitz could've had 4 dozen more subs (or more!) for the same amount of resources. For all their innovation with combined arms on land, the Germans were utterly backwards with naval strategy.
@Aidan551sq Touchdown speed is around 110mph with full flaps and 20% throttle. Fly parallel with the ground as close as you can, with the nose perfectly even with the horizon. It should slowly touchdown on its own and begin rolling on the front wheels. If you have trouble with bouncing, cut the flaps. Don't cut engine power untill the wheels are on the ground or the nose will drop and you might hurt the props. Good luck.
His problem is a high center of thrust. Seaplanes put the props up high to keep the waves out. But a high center of thrust pulls your nose down just like a low one pulls the nose up.
Increasing thrust only increases the problem. Increasing lift can eventually help, but only with an absurd amount of it, far more than the plane should need.
To counter this, you need big horizontal tail surfaces and you need to angle them with the leading edge downward by a few degrees. Usually less than 5° is enough, often 1° or 2°.
The other problem is people make the belly of the plane wrong. If the back half of the plane isn't raised out of the water, it will either sink deep into it when you try to take off or it will be so bouyant that it won't sink and instead prevent the plane from nosing up. Obviously you could make a plane with so much lift that it can pull itself up without nosing up at all, but this would be a very slow plane indeed and horribly inefficient.
@Dexa This is important. Do not do any of the stuff people have listed below. The reason people don't build many seaplanes on here is because the problem you are having right now.
If you spawn your plane in the air, (bandit final approach), do you notice that the the nose is constantly dropping, even with full throttle? If so, then I can give you advice that will fix it.
@AircraftoftheRedStar Cool. I was gonna make a Mig 17, but someone recently made a very good looking one so there's no real need. I kind of want to remake my Foxbat, but maybe I should save that for later.
@AircraftoftheRedStar Yeah, NP Whatcha gonna make next?
Yes. I think we've had enough of that over the last month.
I do not think that's a thing. Jet thrust increases and decreases at a similar rate. You can cheat it a bit with airbrakes, though.
@Strikefighter04 Well done, my acolyte.
I'm pretty mad about your description of this thing, @Zandgard
You've made an excellent model, and the sacrifices of the Ubootwaffe should be remembered, but the Seehund project was a sick testament to just how desperate and degenerate the Third Reich had become.
The crews of those "boats" were children. Given almost no training, forced to take dangerous drugs to keep them continuously awake for 96 hour missions and sitting in their own urine and feces, those poor kids died in the North Sea like kittens drowned in a sack. The whole German minisub program amounted to little more than kamikaze, but with the illusion of a chance for survival.
Смерть фашизму! за родину!
+2I often wonder how actual Eastern Europeans feel about these crude impersonations. Do they find them funny, or is it more like Monty Scott from Star Trek where it doesn't even register to Scottish people that he's trying to be scottish?
@Strikefighter04 you wanna handle this one?
See ya, be safe
+1Nice
+1@FastDan Weight is BAD for turning.
@FastDan weight isnt your problem, center of mass is. Try to keep all the heavy stuff as low as possible. Also, you can increase traction by using wings the push the vehicle downward, some people even use jet engines to push their cars into the ground.
@Carbonfox1 Nope, the Beaver beats it badly. Besides, can a Caribou do this?
@Carbonfox1 When you're carrying 1/5 as much cargo only 1/2 as far 100mph slower, you don't need 4 engines. But if that's not enough, 4 turboprops are still less maintenance than a pair of WW2 era radials.
The Caribou doesn't really compare to the Hercules in the exact same way a Beaver doesn't compare to a DHC-4. Different animals doing jobs on a completely different scale.
@ForeverPie Pie, we all like Mattangi. And we miss him. He might be dead, or he might not be, but he's certainly not posting on here anymore. Whatever you choose to believe about this whole thing, please keep in mind that no one is trying to be hurtful.
+4Double-posting stuff like this is a pretty quick way to get on people's nerves. Also, I like Strikey.
@Dexa Bouyancy in front of the main wings is fine. Everything behind the main wings needs to be able to drop at least 30° during takeoff (and you don't want it underwater so bouyancy is fine as long as its not preventing the plane from tilting up in the front), notice how much the belly slants upwards towards the tail of this PBY Catalina:
https://www.archaehistoria.org/images/aircraft/blue catalina.jpg
If you are still having trouble, you can private-post what you have and link me in the comments. I'll check it out when I can.
Like it or not, this is the internet. Everyone here will just have to decide for themself what they want to believe. There is no "solid evidence" and there most likely won't be. There are only words and feelings and trust, or a lack thereof.
The events in Korea are tragic, and we are all sad to see young and talented people go to their graves so early.
Whatever happened to Mattangi, it's abundantly clear that he won't be posting on here anymore. That in itself is saddening. But anything beyond this can only be speculation.
+6@CoolPeach Naval aviators get a bit more training than most pilots, but I'd expect Airforce training to take a similar amount of time.
@Awsomur Perhaps. I don't claim to know much about Korea. I do know that here in the states, they train you for years before you get into a jet like that. Officer school, flight school, designated trainer aircraft like the T-38, all before you even begin to train in an F-15.
+2I am pretty sure you need more than a few months of training before they put you in either seat of an F-15. How much training would you require someone recieve before getting behind the controls of your 100 million dollar jet?
@GreatHenry You don't have time to put wheels on your tank?
@ThePrototype Gyros would probably be your best bet, but I have very little understanding of how they work on here.
For just wings, I imagine the shortest possibe configuration for high stability would be a normal "tractor" setup like a P-51 Mustang, Piper Cub, etc. Engine/weight followed by wings, followed by control in the tail.
With a pusher-canard setup, you don't need the fuselage to protrude so far forward. The weight sits in the middle, ahead of the main wings and you stick the elevators on the nose. This should prove a bit shorter but also less stable because the weight is so close to the vertical tail.
Cool!
@blackvultureaeroespace Agreed.
Control system? You mean the control surfaces like ailerons and elevators?
Yup. Specifically mentions that youtuber too. Funny how tasteless people can be.
@blackvultureaeroespace Bah. Going up against the combined fleets of US and UK was silly. They needed the Luftwaffe to quit goofing around and support the subs, and the Kreigsmarine to give them enough resorces to have the proper number of subs to cut off England. Ego stood in the way of pragmatism.
@Dexa Nose shouldn't effect things. Mostly wings and everything after the wings.
@blackvultureaeroespace Honestly, the ship was doomed at launch. Using a capital ship as a commerce raider is blatantly stupid. Donitz could've had 4 dozen more subs (or more!) for the same amount of resources. For all their innovation with combined arms on land, the Germans were utterly backwards with naval strategy.
@Aidan551sq Touchdown speed is around 110mph with full flaps and 20% throttle. Fly parallel with the ground as close as you can, with the nose perfectly even with the horizon. It should slowly touchdown on its own and begin rolling on the front wheels. If you have trouble with bouncing, cut the flaps. Don't cut engine power untill the wheels are on the ground or the nose will drop and you might hurt the props. Good luck.
@Dexa Let me know how it turns out. I can send parts if needed.
@Misha1004 No problem. Your english is much better than my russian . XD
Why not a B-47? Relatively fast, very large.
Most people just put a whole mess of wheels so close together that they overlap. You gotta xml mod them so that they dont collide with each other.
It doesn't get any better than the Lockheed C-130 when it comes to STOL with a big ol load of junk in the trunk. You can call him "Hercules"
@Jetpackturtle @RailfanEthan @jamesPLANESii @Delphinos
His problem is a high center of thrust. Seaplanes put the props up high to keep the waves out. But a high center of thrust pulls your nose down just like a low one pulls the nose up.
Increasing thrust only increases the problem. Increasing lift can eventually help, but only with an absurd amount of it, far more than the plane should need.
To counter this, you need big horizontal tail surfaces and you need to angle them with the leading edge downward by a few degrees. Usually less than 5° is enough, often 1° or 2°.
The other problem is people make the belly of the plane wrong. If the back half of the plane isn't raised out of the water, it will either sink deep into it when you try to take off or it will be so bouyant that it won't sink and instead prevent the plane from nosing up. Obviously you could make a plane with so much lift that it can pull itself up without nosing up at all, but this would be a very slow plane indeed and horribly inefficient.
+1@Dexa This is important. Do not do any of the stuff people have listed below. The reason people don't build many seaplanes on here is because the problem you are having right now.
If you spawn your plane in the air, (bandit final approach), do you notice that the the nose is constantly dropping, even with full throttle? If so, then I can give you advice that will fix it.
@GritAerospaceSolutionsLTD Oh wow
@Chancey21 Basically havent been at my computer for days
@Misha1004 Camo seems too difficult/ time consuming for me.
@Misha1004 It only alerts the first three people you @ but sure thing. You did a good job, I'm still too scared to attempt camo!
@Jetpackturtle Brian Johnson or Bon Scott?
@Chancey21 Eh... you should prolly make one
Lots of synthwave. Tycho, Kavinsky, Carpenter Brut, M83, Lazerhawk
Upbeat music that isn't too distracting.
+2@FastDan Be a shame if something...
happened to it.
+2@RailfanEthan A gigantic armada of super-battleships hidden away in an island fortress, or a bunch of manga bois?
+1An adorable name for a terrifying little monster.
@hackingAnonymous Thanks for the spotlight