@BaconEggs Sure, HOWEVER they give a poor starting people for people to make their own craft. FT has the "tutorial", but really that's just an incomplete index. It gives no functional examples to pick apart and demonstrate how it's actually implemented. Pigpen is my got-to example of FT dark magic.
It's also annoying that, as nice as the SP2 cars are, it's entirely unclear how "raw" they are. Sure, some have assists that can be turned off, but is the assist-less mode still FT-augmented?
In any case, stock craft need to both demonstrate what is possible - but also what is possible for someone new to the game (or who just isn't some engineering wizard with too much free time on their hands to learn an entire programming language and mathematics). The current craft do the former, but absolutely not the latter. In SP at least there were the older 1.2(?) stock craft remaining after the VR stock craft were added. Here there's nothing. Players new to SP2 might not initially know about those old standards (and that's the key point: they're standard. Everyone knows them).
Turns out that Stinker is in fact not simple. It has FT tail surfaces.
Since there's no Overload in SP2 yet I have no idea how complicated exactly (it's possible it's just to have different up- and down-pitch limits - though this wouldn't explain why the rudder also has FT inputs), but this is still a very bad sign.
@TheLoadingGorilla “Free will” doesn’t make something sufficient. When the seas recede, does the algae still work? Of course not, it no longer works and has thus become obsolete.
Annnnd you’re unironically bringing up intelligent design. I’m done talking to you.
@TheLoadingGorilla
Outdated. They're frankly outdated.
Humans evolved to live in a savannah, stabbing things to death and fighting over mates. They're primitive. Imperfect. They were forged by evolution, not sense (honestly a great argument against Intelligent Design: there's no intelligence to the human body).
You imply that no other animal is capable of rational thought, which they very much are (if not nearly to the same extent). If they weren't they could never decide anything, while they constantly do. At the same time, humans are deeply irrational creatures; every facet of the human experience is filled with irrational actions whether it be emotion (e.g. acting on blinding hatred and perpetuating conflicts) or short-sightedness (the fact capitalism, built of destructive self-interest, is dominant and not a logically planned system taking everything into account into the distant future).
Faith is the product of not knowing. It is the product of thinking that the clouds are angry and the crops are spiteful. Is the result of ignorance and imagination trying to fill voids beyond the abilities of the senses. It is the result of craving stability and thus putting one's future in the hand of someone who appears confident, whether a dictator, a preacher, or someone declaring themselves a prophet. It only continues through cultural momentum and the irrationalities of the human mind (emotional and short-sighted). The dark of the universe is no longer the house of gods, simply the depths of the cave which the light of science hasn't yet burned bright enough to vanquish.
Humans just ain't it.
Humans have a reasonably defined lifespan. It's not a universal law, but by their nature as living creatures with decaying DNA they are very short-lived. Death has to be a fact of life; humans die with their surroundings, not the universe.
@TheLoadingGorilla Firstly, wrong. You must not idolize humans, for they are all flawed inherently. It's impossible to surpass that, only to try (which I doubt they did). The ape brain is one so pathetically outdated for humanity's niche that it's hilarious (and sad).
Secondly, humans are no different at their core to any other animal. The "soul" is a mere concept (though this obviously cannot be argued about by nature of its belief being entirely rooted in, quite frankly, blind faith), and the only difference in reasoning is the extent. Encounter a true greater intellect and you'd quickly realize humanity is far, far from the peak of what is possible.
Never idolize mortals.
@TheRLAF Quite arguably greater, though different by nature. Human emotion is more "real" in the sense that it always has consequences for the human's actions, whereas these machines can immediately put them aside completely and totally if the situation truly calls for it. It's complicated.
@TheRLAF Depends how you define "feel". Arguably, yes.
@TheLoadingGorilla If they were truly above it then they've no longer be humans. Humanity's issues are inherent to their species. Humans should cease to exist in the future and be replaced by a better people, whether genetically engineered or mechanical. The means exist, but the tools are in the hands of idiots who'd either turn them against themselves or fear it like it's some sort of demon.
@Boeing727200F I should specify, reverse-engineering is essentially impossible; they don't even resemble any known mechanical part from Earth. Really, it's just a trinket.
@TheLoadingGorilla Wrong kind of machine, Kong.
@Randomplayer What countries?
@HuskyDynamics01 hor hor
+1hor hor
hor
hor hor hor
hor
hoooooorr
@LunarEclipseSP I knew about pictures.
+1I did not know about the hyperlink restriction.
Damnit.
@LunarEclipseSP
"IS THAT THE BITE OF SEVENTEEN???!"
"Да."
+1Damnit.
+1Curse this white-ranked coil!
Oh all
+1MOOD
@SILVERPANZER I think you're seeing things
+1Please.
+1@TheMouse You are SPARED.
+1I've been there!
It's awful.
Hell yeah!
+1@TheMouse Thanks China!
+1And Israel!
And… what else? It’s been years since I properly played.
@TheMouse Bro.
+1(Lol)
Wait I don’t like mustard
+1Do you have a ketchup plane instead?
Mm mustard plane
+1@Kerbango shucks
+1Is anything real anymore?
+1“Please let this be a normal field trip!”
+1The Frizz:
@TheMouse 15% liveries so at least there’s that?
+1@Omoriboy aktually it’s the omega Fard button
+1That’s why it comes out the rear
Trust me I am Andrew GarriSon this is real 💯
@TriStar Those 6.5 years were clearly not spent trying to take custom thumbnails on desktop and getting wrecked.
+1Repeatedly.
@TheUltimatePlaneLover I SAID NO DAMNIT!!!!
+1You’ll end us all!
@TheMouse Ready!
+1(I don’t need to explain, do I?)
Gravatar could be better, though…
@BaconEggs Sure, HOWEVER they give a poor starting people for people to make their own craft. FT has the "tutorial", but really that's just an incomplete index. It gives no functional examples to pick apart and demonstrate how it's actually implemented. Pigpen is my got-to example of FT dark magic.
It's also annoying that, as nice as the SP2 cars are, it's entirely unclear how "raw" they are. Sure, some have assists that can be turned off, but is the assist-less mode still FT-augmented?
In any case, stock craft need to both demonstrate what is possible - but also what is possible for someone new to the game (or who just isn't some engineering wizard with too much free time on their hands to learn an entire programming language and mathematics). The current craft do the former, but absolutely not the latter. In SP at least there were the older 1.2(?) stock craft remaining after the VR stock craft were added. Here there's nothing. Players new to SP2 might not initially know about those old standards (and that's the key point: they're standard. Everyone knows them).
Turns out that Stinker is in fact not simple. It has FT tail surfaces.
Since there's no Overload in SP2 yet I have no idea how complicated exactly (it's possible it's just to have different up- and down-pitch limits - though this wouldn't explain why the rudder also has FT inputs), but this is still a very bad sign.
Heh. This thing.
The Candygram, so you can see what I mean.
@TheLoadingGorilla “Free will” doesn’t make something sufficient. When the seas recede, does the algae still work? Of course not, it no longer works and has thus become obsolete.
Annnnd you’re unironically bringing up intelligent design. I’m done talking to you.
@TheLoadingGorilla
Outdated. They're frankly outdated.
Humans evolved to live in a savannah, stabbing things to death and fighting over mates. They're primitive. Imperfect. They were forged by evolution, not sense (honestly a great argument against Intelligent Design: there's no intelligence to the human body).
You imply that no other animal is capable of rational thought, which they very much are (if not nearly to the same extent). If they weren't they could never decide anything, while they constantly do. At the same time, humans are deeply irrational creatures; every facet of the human experience is filled with irrational actions whether it be emotion (e.g. acting on blinding hatred and perpetuating conflicts) or short-sightedness (the fact capitalism, built of destructive self-interest, is dominant and not a logically planned system taking everything into account into the distant future).
Faith is the product of not knowing. It is the product of thinking that the clouds are angry and the crops are spiteful. Is the result of ignorance and imagination trying to fill voids beyond the abilities of the senses. It is the result of craving stability and thus putting one's future in the hand of someone who appears confident, whether a dictator, a preacher, or someone declaring themselves a prophet. It only continues through cultural momentum and the irrationalities of the human mind (emotional and short-sighted). The dark of the universe is no longer the house of gods, simply the depths of the cave which the light of science hasn't yet burned bright enough to vanquish.
Humans just ain't it.
Humans have a reasonably defined lifespan. It's not a universal law, but by their nature as living creatures with decaying DNA they are very short-lived. Death has to be a fact of life; humans die with their surroundings, not the universe.
@TheLoadingGorilla Not talking about you.
@KatBapa20 Does he know?
@TheLoadingGorilla It's December.
@TheLoadingGorilla Firstly, wrong. You must not idolize humans, for they are all flawed inherently. It's impossible to surpass that, only to try (which I doubt they did). The ape brain is one so pathetically outdated for humanity's niche that it's hilarious (and sad).
Secondly, humans are no different at their core to any other animal. The "soul" is a mere concept (though this obviously cannot be argued about by nature of its belief being entirely rooted in, quite frankly, blind faith), and the only difference in reasoning is the extent. Encounter a true greater intellect and you'd quickly realize humanity is far, far from the peak of what is possible.
Never idolize mortals.
@TheRLAF Quite arguably greater, though different by nature. Human emotion is more "real" in the sense that it always has consequences for the human's actions, whereas these machines can immediately put them aside completely and totally if the situation truly calls for it. It's complicated.
@TheRLAF Depends how you define "feel". Arguably, yes.
@TheLoadingGorilla If they were truly above it then they've no longer be humans. Humanity's issues are inherent to their species. Humans should cease to exist in the future and be replaced by a better people, whether genetically engineered or mechanical. The means exist, but the tools are in the hands of idiots who'd either turn them against themselves or fear it like it's some sort of demon.
@TheLoadingGorilla I'd keep away. Humans... suck.
They just suck.
@TheLoadingGorilla Can't help you there.
@Boeing727200F They're tiny. Like a couple dozen square cm at most.
Trinkets.
Empty.
Conversation.
Not to say those parts aren't in there, they just don't look (or function) like any Earthly being is used to.
@hpgbproductions What they don't know can't hurt them.
@ComradeBazookaBall My comrade in commune these are gods.
@Boeing727200F I should specify, reverse-engineering is essentially impossible; they don't even resemble any known mechanical part from Earth. Really, it's just a trinket.
@TheLoadingGorilla Wrong kind of machine, Kong.
@Randomplayer What countries?
@V Oh.
To this day I'm still not sure what happened with them. I heard they were rude, supposedly?
@Boeing727200F Any interest in purchasing MA unit parts?
@Boeing727200F Good to hear!
@Boeing727200F Is that a yes?
@DeepSpaceIndustries noh
I am the FUNNIEST person on this website.
@V Who's that?
Also what about... what was the name, BogdanX? Did I get that right? Granted, they deleted their account...
Also for legal reasons, this is entirely hypothetical.
GAH!
@Randomplayer missile