@Pilotmario @RailfanEthan 90 mm Gun M1/M2/M3
For the French 90mm field gun of 1877 used in World War I, see De Bange 90 mm cannon.
90 mm M1A1
90mm M1 AAgun CFB Borden.jpg
A 90 mm M1 at CFB Borden
Type Anti-Aircraft gun
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1940–1950s
Used by United States,
Canada,
Republic of China,
Brazil
Wars World War II,
Korean War
Specifications
Weight Total: 8,618 kg (18,999 lb)
Barrel: 1,109 kg (2,445 lb)
Length 4.73 m (15 ft 6 in)
Barrel length 4.60 m (15 ft) L/53
Width 4.16 m (13 ft 9 in)
Height 3.07 m (10 ft)
Shell 90×600 mm R
Shell weight 10.61 kg (23 lb 6 oz)
Caliber 90 mm (3.5 in)
Carriage mobile
Elevation −5° to +80°
Traverse 360 degrees
Rate of fire 25 rounds per minute (maximum)
Muzzle velocity 823 m/s (2,700 ft/s)
Maximum firing range Maximum horizontal: 17,823 m (58,474 ft)
Maximum ceiling: 10,380 m (34,060 ft) (limited by 30 second fuse)
The 90 mm Gun M1/M2/M3 served as a primary heavy American anti-aircraft and anti-tank gun, playing a role similar to the renowned German 88 mm gun. It was 90 mm (3.5 in) in caliber, and had a 4.60 m (15 ft) barrel, 53 calibers in length. It was capable of firing a 90×600 mm R shell 17,823 m (58,474 ft) horizontally, or a maximum altitude of 10,380 m (34,060 ft).
The 90 mm Gun was the US's primary anti-aircraft gun from just prior to the opening of World War II into the 1950s, when most anti-aircraft artillery was replaced by guided missile systems. As a tank gun, it was the main weapon of the M36 tank destroyer and M26 Pershing tank, as well as a number of post-war tanks. It was briefly deployed 1943-46 as a coast defense weapon with the United States Army Coast Artillery Corps.
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History Edit
Prior to World War II, the primary US anti-aircraft gun was the 3-inch M1918 gun (76.2 mm L/40), a widely used caliber for this class of weapon. Similar weapons were in British, Soviet and other arsenals. There had been several upgrades to the weapon over its history, including the experimental T8 and T9 versions developed in the early 1930s that were intended to enter service later in the decade.
However the US Army became interested in a much more capable weapon instead, and on June 9, 1938 it issued a development contract calling for two new guns, one of 90 mm which it felt was the largest possible size that was still capable of being manually loaded at high elevations, and another, using assisted loading, of 120 mm caliber. The new design seemed so much better than
@RailfanEthan oh and one last thing I said recoilless guns they would fire in two directions until around the 1980's not that vespers were made in 1980's as they were made somewhere between the 1940s to the 1960s
@Pilotmario you didn't read every thing I wrote this is a peace of my research (those tubes on the side of the scooter contains a round or two heres another peace of my research they did use lambrettas the image I shown to you was of a vesper yes but they used both the vesper and lambretta) ( my research was inconsistent on whereabouts of where the gun came from but my). (but my research confirmed the cannon was not recoilless as that was invented around the 1980's time I believe it actually is a 90 mm) thats a fraction of my research
@Smasher Actually, it's a Vespa scooter with an American 75mm M20 recoilless rifle. Known as the Vespa 150 TAP, it was for a French Army contract for paratroopers (hence TAP, or Troupes Aero Portees) as a cheap, airmobile prime mover for a 75mm recoilless rifle. It was designed to be dismounted from the vehicle, fixed onto a tripod, and then fired.
The Vespas were made in France by ACMA, who built them under license.
@RailfanEthan you almost had a point if it wasn't for the fact those tubes on the side of the scooter contains a round or two heres another peace of my research they did use lambrettas the image I shown to you was of a vesper yes but they used both the vesper and lambretta
@Smasher
-Vespa 150.
-WW2, not 1980s. France/Italy (I say France) wouldn't make something like this during that time.
-75mm.
-Would have bene mounted on a pod.
-Ammo was carried on a seperate scooter.
-It's a M20.
@Pilotmario @PINK its an Italian lambretta with a anti tank cannon one man drives whilst the guy who sits on the back loads and fires now my research was inconsistent on whereabouts of where the gun came from but my research confirmed the cannon was not recoilless as that was invented around the 1980's time I believe it actually is a 90 mm so there's a extremely small part of my research
It's basically an airdroppable, mobile antitank gun, using an Italian Vespa scooter and an American 75mm recoilless rifle.
It was designed to be dismounted from the vehicle and used separately. It can be fired from the vehicle, but there is no way to accurately aim it if fired as such.
Da hell is that
@Pilotmario yeah I don't try or attempt to make any on angry
@Smasher Arguing?
I prefer the term "discussion."
And "troll" often refers to pranksters of the web who is deliberately attempting to make someone angry.
@Pilotmario I asked if we could stop arguing like children
@Pilotmario what are you talking about exactly ?😕 I keep on asking what does trolls mean ?
There is enough moderators with edititis that if a troll decides to come along, their work will be smite rather quickly. @Smasher
@RailfanEthan so now CAN WE STOP F#@KING ARGUING IM SICK AND TIRED OF IT 😑
@RailfanEthan yes but apparently it can be edited by other people and not many care about old anything and then will try to spoil it for other people
@Smasher
Let's not forgot Wikipedia is used by thousands (if not millions) of people per day. If some information was false, it would be changed.
@Pilotmario and just so you know Wikipedia is only right 54% of the time and I'm fed with arguments
@Pilotmario I was using it as a comparison for mm factors
@Smasher You realize the 90mm M1/M2/M3 is a very heavy cannon, right?
Also, I think this is what you are talking about. All the details here.
@Pilotmario @RailfanEthan 90 mm Gun M1/M2/M3
For the French 90mm field gun of 1877 used in World War I, see De Bange 90 mm cannon.
90 mm M1A1
90mm M1 AAgun CFB Borden.jpg
A 90 mm M1 at CFB Borden
Type Anti-Aircraft gun
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1940–1950s
Used by United States,
Canada,
Republic of China,
Brazil
Wars World War II,
Korean War
Specifications
Weight Total: 8,618 kg (18,999 lb)
Barrel: 1,109 kg (2,445 lb)
Length 4.73 m (15 ft 6 in)
Barrel length 4.60 m (15 ft) L/53
Width 4.16 m (13 ft 9 in)
Height 3.07 m (10 ft)
Shell 90×600 mm R
Shell weight 10.61 kg (23 lb 6 oz)
Caliber 90 mm (3.5 in)
Carriage mobile
Elevation −5° to +80°
Traverse 360 degrees
Rate of fire 25 rounds per minute (maximum)
Muzzle velocity 823 m/s (2,700 ft/s)
Maximum firing range Maximum horizontal: 17,823 m (58,474 ft)
Maximum ceiling: 10,380 m (34,060 ft) (limited by 30 second fuse)
The 90 mm Gun M1/M2/M3 served as a primary heavy American anti-aircraft and anti-tank gun, playing a role similar to the renowned German 88 mm gun. It was 90 mm (3.5 in) in caliber, and had a 4.60 m (15 ft) barrel, 53 calibers in length. It was capable of firing a 90×600 mm R shell 17,823 m (58,474 ft) horizontally, or a maximum altitude of 10,380 m (34,060 ft).
The 90 mm Gun was the US's primary anti-aircraft gun from just prior to the opening of World War II into the 1950s, when most anti-aircraft artillery was replaced by guided missile systems. As a tank gun, it was the main weapon of the M36 tank destroyer and M26 Pershing tank, as well as a number of post-war tanks. It was briefly deployed 1943-46 as a coast defense weapon with the United States Army Coast Artillery Corps.
Contents
History Edit
Prior to World War II, the primary US anti-aircraft gun was the 3-inch M1918 gun (76.2 mm L/40), a widely used caliber for this class of weapon. Similar weapons were in British, Soviet and other arsenals. There had been several upgrades to the weapon over its history, including the experimental T8 and T9 versions developed in the early 1930s that were intended to enter service later in the decade.
However the US Army became interested in a much more capable weapon instead, and on June 9, 1938 it issued a development contract calling for two new guns, one of 90 mm which it felt was the largest possible size that was still capable of being manually loaded at high elevations, and another, using assisted loading, of 120 mm caliber. The new design seemed so much better than
@Pilotmario and I became so interested I started researching
@Pilotmario less than today PS I'm not a history expert I found out about vesper and lambretta with anti tank gun
@Smasher What expertise did they have?
Also, the M20 served in WWII, albeit in the later stages.
@RailfanEthan oh and one last thing I said recoilless guns they would fire in two directions until around the 1980's not that vespers were made in 1980's as they were made somewhere between the 1940s to the 1960s
@Pilotmario PS these I've taken from my conversation with another person
@Pilotmario you didn't read every thing I wrote this is a peace of my research (those tubes on the side of the scooter contains a round or two heres another peace of my research they did use lambrettas the image I shown to you was of a vesper yes but they used both the vesper and lambretta) ( my research was inconsistent on whereabouts of where the gun came from but my). (but my research confirmed the cannon was not recoilless as that was invented around the 1980's time I believe it actually is a 90 mm) thats a fraction of my research
@Smasher Actually, it's a Vespa scooter with an American 75mm M20 recoilless rifle. Known as the Vespa 150 TAP, it was for a French Army contract for paratroopers (hence TAP, or Troupes Aero Portees) as a cheap, airmobile prime mover for a 75mm recoilless rifle. It was designed to be dismounted from the vehicle, fixed onto a tripod, and then fired.
The Vespas were made in France by ACMA, who built them under license.
@RailfanEthan PS this is my research using books and internet
@RailfanEthan you almost had a point if it wasn't for the fact those tubes on the side of the scooter contains a round or two heres another peace of my research they did use lambrettas the image I shown to you was of a vesper yes but they used both the vesper and lambretta
@Smasher
-Vespa 150.
-WW2, not 1980s. France/Italy (I say France) wouldn't make something like this during that time.
-75mm.
-Would have bene mounted on a pod.
-Ammo was carried on a seperate scooter.
-It's a M20.
@Pilotmario @PINK its an Italian lambretta with a anti tank cannon one man drives whilst the guy who sits on the back loads and fires now my research was inconsistent on whereabouts of where the gun came from but my research confirmed the cannon was not recoilless as that was invented around the 1980's time I believe it actually is a 90 mm so there's a extremely small part of my research
It's basically an airdroppable, mobile antitank gun, using an Italian Vespa scooter and an American 75mm recoilless rifle.
It was designed to be dismounted from the vehicle and used separately. It can be fired from the vehicle, but there is no way to accurately aim it if fired as such.