Yes, for a fully functional model (most SP helicopters just thrash around for a few feet) the weight needs to be around 17,000 lbs or less and the CM must be forward of the lift. Also, for decent speed the rotors must have camber flattened in-flight., @Ofnir
Thanks @Ofnir This resembles some other Firefox models, yet this fuselage, propulsion wings and tail are my take on the classic movie's jet. I believe I have a hi-performance design here, I'll let testers decide.
Thanks @Ofnir Agree that with a careful takeoff (no vectoring on the runwway) this Beta experiment does very well at higher altitudes. BTW I see you also tried out my other recent creations, thanks for testing!
@LAZERETCHED Yes, I'd mentioned to you that I'd test these type of rotors further, they have their limitations. Check out my more recent post called H-3F Pelican II Waterbird, and here I use a different approach. The "zero control surface" rotors are far more common in use, yes, and my 430 MPH White Ghost Helo went that way. Thx for the comments!
Thanks @Retgedi I completely agree that this one is in the beta stage. Example: thrust vectoring tried on takeoff or at low altitudes guarantees a crash, but works fine at higher altitudes so I decided to post an early, incomplete release!
As noted in the description, this one is for hi altitude thrust vectoring. This feature works quite well at 25,000 feet and higher. If a user tries a barrow roll at mountain level and over 1,000 mph, yes the tails can't take that, so don't do that. Yes it reaches 4,000 mph at hi altitude - so do many other SP models. FYI @DADOU Stormraided has confused me with some other user, and he dishes dirt on all my posts. His attempts to downrate me may become something I need to bring to Andrew Garrison's attention.
@Allstarship Agree, although I don't see the value in points. I just suggest everyone note if their posting is a mod or a new one. I've just started doing this, as a matter of courtesy.
Thank you @Zing2000 Yes almost all conventional SP models do not want or need this Rare Engine capability. Some of the stuff that I try out needs exactly this kind of thrust, so yes it is a valuable addition to the SP building choices.
Note that VTOL setting must stay "down" following gear retraction. The engines could be upgraded, but considering vehicle light mass & wings design that's up to you.
Good first one. As you discovered, there are new speed limits on the water, and turns require expert design. Straight line this is better than most I've come across.
First-rate! Thanks for sharing. BTW only a couple craft I've built can handle either the aero or water dynamics when using these items. Good luck you'all !
Q: How do I rate a cheat? I posted the baseline hull days ago and have noted dozens of design copies. I should maybe a complainer based on lack of other's knowledge? I think not.
@TehBrendon55c @Hyperion6 I like the intricate design. I've built 3 much simpler sea boats that exceed 200 mph with good steering & stability. Just posted a hugh turbo boat that SP disallows me to re-load on my mobile due to the size (? i did it on an Android?) Check it out.
Yeah @XWING a different body is required for "normal" roll authority. I tried several variations, yet wished to renain true to the Cylon miniseries concept.
Thanks for the testing, @Cjredwards and @StarFireAircraft. -- yes, until andrewgarrison implements swashplates for helo rotors (hah!) all my choppers require at some independent source of forward thrust. My choppers must be able to navigate the entire island.
Yes, for a fully functional model (most SP helicopters just thrash around for a few feet) the weight needs to be around 17,000 lbs or less and the CM must be forward of the lift. Also, for decent speed the rotors must have camber flattened in-flight., @Ofnir
Thanks @Ofnir This resembles some other Firefox models, yet this fuselage, propulsion wings and tail are my take on the classic movie's jet. I believe I have a hi-performance design here, I'll let testers decide.
@Ofnir Perhaps others do not realize the're all-new.
Thanks @Ofnir Agree that with a careful takeoff (no vectoring on the runwway) this Beta experiment does very well at higher altitudes. BTW I see you also tried out my other recent creations, thanks for testing!
Cool looks, great performance!
@LAZERETCHED Yes, I'd mentioned to you that I'd test these type of rotors further, they have their limitations. Check out my more recent post called H-3F Pelican II Waterbird, and here I use a different approach. The "zero control surface" rotors are far more common in use, yes, and my 430 MPH White Ghost Helo went that way. Thx for the comments!
Thanks @Retgedi This one,s for low-altitudes, tighter maneuvers than most of the other aircraft I post. Glad you liked it & the movie is a classic.
Thanks @Retgedi I completely agree that this one is in the beta stage. Example: thrust vectoring tried on takeoff or at low altitudes guarantees a crash, but works fine at higher altitudes so I decided to post an early, incomplete release!
As noted in the description, this one is for hi altitude thrust vectoring. This feature works quite well at 25,000 feet and higher. If a user tries a barrow roll at mountain level and over 1,000 mph, yes the tails can't take that, so don't do that. Yes it reaches 4,000 mph at hi altitude - so do many other SP models. FYI @DADOU Stormraided has confused me with some other user, and he dishes dirt on all my posts. His attempts to downrate me may become something I need to bring to Andrew Garrison's attention.
Great looking, but needs more lift. Also, yaw & pitch and yaw are tricky on SP helicopters, since rotors do not have swash plates.
Cool.
Nicely executed.
@Allstarship Agree, although I don't see the value in points. I just suggest everyone note if their posting is a mod or a new one. I've just started doing this, as a matter of courtesy.
Would love to test it, but neither my advanced Android or IPAD can download it, FYI.
Excellent control, tailess design.
Great engineering! Truly working model, 20,000 feet reached vertically, most SP helicopters can't do this.
Works extremely well! (If the designer makes necessary model design changes. Not for all user, perhaps.)
Thank you @Zing2000 Yes almost all conventional SP models do not want or need this Rare Engine capability. Some of the stuff that I try out needs exactly this kind of thrust, so yes it is a valuable addition to the SP building choices.
I like the replication design! Could not get a stable launch, though. Mind if I do some mods to make it more user friendly?
Note that VTOL setting must stay "down" following gear retraction. The engines could be upgraded, but considering vehicle light mass & wings design that's up to you.
For the landing gear, alone.
Thx @planepilot
Thx @DeathByMaori
BTW @Verdnan The body being lightweight and using RCS is a lot trickier than just the rotors in my opinion.
Okay, @maverickvii A Klingon bird sounds interesting.
@Verdnan Yes you may. Copy them and create something new!
Thank you @planesnthings
Good first one. As you discovered, there are new speed limits on the water, and turns require expert design. Straight line this is better than most I've come across.
Excellent floatation balance.
First-rate! Thanks for sharing. BTW only a couple craft I've built can handle either the aero or water dynamics when using these items. Good luck you'all !
Good news! @DeathByMaori
Thanks for testing, @planesnthings
Q: How do I rate a cheat? I posted the baseline hull days ago and have noted dozens of design copies. I should maybe a complainer based on lack of other's knowledge? I think not.
Eventually maybe you could decouple thrust from steering control.
Beautiful detail & design. Floats and steers better than most water vessels!
Visionary appearance.
@TehBrendon55c @Hyperion6 I like the intricate design. I've built 3 much simpler sea boats that exceed 200 mph with good steering & stability. Just posted a hugh turbo boat that SP disallows me to re-load on my mobile due to the size (? i did it on an Android?) Check it out.
Creative, fun to go short distances.
Thanks @DethFromAbove
Thanks for testing! @simpro
I like the handling! The basic model always needed more fuel; that's the design tradeoff.
Yeah @XWING a different body is required for "normal" roll authority. I tried several variations, yet wished to renain true to the Cylon miniseries concept.
Well balanced water ride, easy to steer.
Thanks for the testing, @Cjredwards and @StarFireAircraft. -- yes, until andrewgarrison implements swashplates for helo rotors (hah!) all my choppers require at some independent source of forward thrust. My choppers must be able to navigate the entire island.
Fun ride, the original was faster.
Fast, 230 mph, and very well mannered, and steerable.
Simple construction, 1200 MPH at 18,000 feet! Hi roll rate makes control difficult.
Cool! Cannot achieve a runway landing, yet, but can easily land on water, extend gear and perform an amphibious crawl up onto the mainland.
Beautiful, fun to operate! (Note, difficult to yaw on my tablet so I changed the rudder from yaw to "roll" and it worked well.)
Note: for me, steerable at 30% power or less.