Another note, per @viper28 comment, the tilt & nozzles work in sync so the 45 degree initial tilt is just to get off the ground. Within 2-3 seconds the model climbs past 1,000 feet and must be steered as it climbs (at this phase it's no more or less stable than other VTOLs briefly). Stability occurs with level wings and altitudes above 4,000 feet.
Note: The SP Devs noticed the predecessor several days ago. The weight + lift + thrust balance is crucial. Simple = effective. @zing2000 @hypnotoad @spiritusraptor FYI.
Thx @jacobhardy64 - This one model appears to be simple, but it was not easy. In testing I could fly it vertically to 12,000 feet before rotating wings+thrust forward on VTOL. So, I just had to post a pure experiment.
@zing2000 Read AndrewGarrison reply to RocketLL at the top. This is an objective answer to a basic question: who built what. I like the designs posted under user kellyJ, a personal preference, I borrow them sometimes, with permission to do so, but I cannot speak for the other folks on SP that you once asked about. This is a public forum, not a chat room, but that is key.
Yeah I've done that also, glad you you found out. i put an X-15 wingset on the same fusalege but that required adding rear thrust engines, and the end result is about the same. @stevenlarkey
Yes, strictly vertical. Add some lateral/fore/aft control so I can rate it. (There are many UFOs posted, all have challenges in flight control, so I know you can do it.)
Recommend counter-rotors for lift. The only other realistic options I've tried are the Osprey rotors (which use nozzles for both lift & forward flight) or VERY Lightweight 2 rotor chinook-style rotorcraft; I just posted a 300 mph custom chinook if you need an example.
Glad you approve @allstarship - Someone posted these wings with VTOL nozzles right up front, so it flipped on takeoffs, something JoshuaW would not do.
Would not surprise me with that planform, yet many YF-23 type deritivitives have been posted, just like the F-22 multi versions. Not my preferred design due to pitch problems, that required me to tweak all control surfaces. @Allstarship
In the ideal world, the undercarriage would be totally flat, but this is the SP sim world. Good job, these types of wing planforms are very challenging.
@allstarship This was an anon post with no predecessors, I borrowed the wings & tails, changed the rest. Who did those wings, I'll certainly give acknowledgement?
A beauty! About 100 mph slower than my "Luxury Yacht - Deep Sea" entry, but I appreciate the skill this required. My entry seems ignored except by the Dev staff @DethFromAbove @Teus @maverickvii
BTW I also posted a similar missile boat, and realize this is new territory. Finally, I added enough mass to "Naval Missile Ship" that it's stable enough to turn at high speed and successfully ram and turn the USS Tiny. Check it out!
I recently built a Klingon Bird of Prey II, and another 2000 MPH Klingon Bird of Prey, they both takeoff & fly like normal planes and accept full throttle, so can you check them out and rate? @DethFromAbove @maverickvii
Check out my Klingon Bird of Prey II to find an easy balance solution: 2 separate pitch controls are handy, normal wing stabilizer pitch + rotator augmented pitch. Full control is provided @AceMcloud @JoffahSanno @ABC123
Original, fun to experiment with in the water, yes it will right itself by VTOL control. You can also launch into the water from Location: South Runway Final Approach.
Looks awesome, but alas cannot download. I can use Apple apps & Android apps on Amazon but not Google play store. This is not likely to change. Good luck with the Google app Beta working group!
@authors My simple tablet-friendly Prometheus can launch in VTOL more but I don't recommend that. Since SP birds like this end up contending with an atmospheric dynamic simulation, I added working air control surfaces. Note the rear thrust mount is always higher than fore thrust pods, the balancing is tricky.
Cannot download due to SP's bug, yet from you instructions posted, this may require a keyboard and you encountered similar balancing issues I discovered when I built a simpler, phone-friendly USCSS Prometheus last week. Await the bug fix, this looks awesome!
OK agree about breakage; above 60,000 feet a fast pitch down & dive to 40,000 feet @ 3,000 mph did break it. I can break almost any model posted via fighter-type moves at lower altitudes, and never can predict how a user will fly it. (I can de-rate thrust & delete fuel, it won't break then.)
@Hello89 Why not just copy my recent YP-3D Navy Testbed ? It is kinda a secret plane with great capability, with no glitches. You may copy and repost changes if you choose.
Thx @verdnan @viper28
Another note, per @viper28 comment, the tilt & nozzles work in sync so the 45 degree initial tilt is just to get off the ground. Within 2-3 seconds the model climbs past 1,000 feet and must be steered as it climbs (at this phase it's no more or less stable than other VTOLs briefly). Stability occurs with level wings and altitudes above 4,000 feet.
Thx @planesnthings
Note: The SP Devs noticed the predecessor several days ago. The weight + lift + thrust balance is crucial. Simple = effective. @zing2000 @hypnotoad @spiritusraptor FYI.
Thx @jacobhardy64 - This one model appears to be simple, but it was not easy. In testing I could fly it vertically to 12,000 feet before rotating wings+thrust forward on VTOL. So, I just had to post a pure experiment.
Great model, and you also did an lot of tweaking to get this mass airborne, it works! Looks great.
Thx @jacobhardy64 !
Q: The cockpit used here (overlayed) is popular, yet never provides an enjoyable forward view, so why even use it?
Nice 727!
@Zing2000 Yep.
@zing2000 Read AndrewGarrison reply to RocketLL at the top. This is an objective answer to a basic question: who built what. I like the designs posted under user kellyJ, a personal preference, I borrow them sometimes, with permission to do so, but I cannot speak for the other folks on SP that you once asked about. This is a public forum, not a chat room, but that is key.
Takeoff & water landing are easy!
Yeah I've done that also, glad you you found out. i put an X-15 wingset on the same fusalege but that required adding rear thrust engines, and the end result is about the same. @stevenlarkey
Yes, strictly vertical. Add some lateral/fore/aft control so I can rate it. (There are many UFOs posted, all have challenges in flight control, so I know you can do it.)
Yeah it's an exact scale replica, however this is The Smallest Spruce Goose on the SP sim game, I can fly it on my phone. @T3485
Looks fantastic! (yet I can't run beta builds.)
Great replica, amazed that it flys!
@hypnotoad I just posted Best X Craft2, full credit to you, with that minor imbalance fixed.
Recommend counter-rotors for lift. The only other realistic options I've tried are the Osprey rotors (which use nozzles for both lift & forward flight) or VERY Lightweight 2 rotor chinook-style rotorcraft; I just posted a 300 mph custom chinook if you need an example.
Glad you approve @allstarship - Someone posted these wings with VTOL nozzles right up front, so it flipped on takeoffs, something JoshuaW would not do.
Beauty of a design! Great missile salvo.
Would not surprise me with that planform, yet many YF-23 type deritivitives have been posted, just like the F-22 multi versions. Not my preferred design due to pitch problems, that required me to tweak all control surfaces. @Allstarship
Lots of fun. Great job!
I just tested your ZX-7 and only color is similar, wings & all else especially fuselage and tails are different. @Zing2000
In the ideal world, the undercarriage would be totally flat, but this is the SP sim world. Good job, these types of wing planforms are very challenging.
Great results! Not really stealthy but very original!
Thx @Jocobhardy64 @Joffahsanno I found wings and tails on a model that floundered in-air so I rebuilt the body and can take only partial credit.
@allstarship This was an anon post with no predecessors, I borrowed the wings & tails, changed the rest. Who did those wings, I'll certainly give acknowledgement?
Creative use of jet "spoilers" a beauty! (3rd gear is straight-line only).
A beauty! About 100 mph slower than my "Luxury Yacht - Deep Sea" entry, but I appreciate the skill this required. My entry seems ignored except by the Dev staff @DethFromAbove @Teus @maverickvii
Great detailed appearance, decent speed, stable control, this is exceptional!
Thank you @maverickvii
BTW I also posted a similar missile boat, and realize this is new territory. Finally, I added enough mass to "Naval Missile Ship" that it's stable enough to turn at high speed and successfully ram and turn the USS Tiny. Check it out!
Great launches of surface marine anti-ship missile!
BTW I used 2 different pitch controls on mine, Wing pitch overall + VTOL pitch when needed. @maverickvii
Rated it last night! @maverickvii
Thank you @dethfromabove
For the awesome looks! Launches OK, but still seems unstable during cruise at any throttle.
I recently built a Klingon Bird of Prey II, and another 2000 MPH Klingon Bird of Prey, they both takeoff & fly like normal planes and accept full throttle, so can you check them out and rate? @DethFromAbove @maverickvii
Check out my Klingon Bird of Prey II to find an easy balance solution: 2 separate pitch controls are handy, normal wing stabilizer pitch + rotator augmented pitch. Full control is provided @AceMcloud @JoffahSanno @ABC123
Original, fun to experiment with in the water, yes it will right itself by VTOL control. You can also launch into the water from Location: South Runway Final Approach.
Good job. Had to launch via South runway final approach
Looks awesome, but alas cannot download. I can use Apple apps & Android apps on Amazon but not Google play store. This is not likely to change. Good luck with the Google app Beta working group!
Note to SP user's, this beta version has been replaced with a fixed Dove Bird II.
@authors My simple tablet-friendly Prometheus can launch in VTOL more but I don't recommend that. Since SP birds like this end up contending with an atmospheric dynamic simulation, I added working air control surfaces. Note the rear thrust mount is always higher than fore thrust pods, the balancing is tricky.
@zing2000 @KingYamami I just posted Dove Bird II, much lighter and with greater maneuverabilty. (Could not get it to break).
Cannot download due to SP's bug, yet from you instructions posted, this may require a keyboard and you encountered similar balancing issues I discovered when I built a simpler, phone-friendly USCSS Prometheus last week. Await the bug fix, this looks awesome!
OK agree about breakage; above 60,000 feet a fast pitch down & dive to 40,000 feet @ 3,000 mph did break it. I can break almost any model posted via fighter-type moves at lower altitudes, and never can predict how a user will fly it. (I can de-rate thrust & delete fuel, it won't break then.)
Would like to see a good finished version of this modern classic. Keep building!
@Hello89 Why not just copy my recent YP-3D Navy Testbed ? It is kinda a secret plane with great capability, with no glitches. You may copy and repost changes if you choose.