@ThomasRoderick You come up with an excuse for it because I have no practical reason to give you other than "I wanted to keep that design from the original"
And no, this isn't the final alper like I've told you like 10 times and yes, I will make a more realistic one that can actually fly IRL.
@Solent19 ah. I see. I'll see if I can correct it or something.
I placed it far back because I do want the pilot to actually put their legs somewhere... So...
@Solent19 trust me when I say I tried absolutely everything I could with the drag here. I XML modded basically the entirety of this thing thing. Put it simply, the only workable alternative is just use a single block to simulate the overall drag coeff. I didn't do that or try to go too low with dragScale numbers because I still wanted some semblance of ... You know... Simulation.
But I hear you, and I will work to improve that aspect. As for the stick, that's mostly a practical decision. I originally wanted a yolk, but space very quickly became a valuable possesion. Hence why I went with this
The cockpit camera... Shoot I was supposed to disable it. That is fully on me... My bad on that!
@hpgbproductions thank you for the criticism! Always lovely to hear it. As for the instrument panels, I agree. It should be bigger, but I was too far in to have to pull out. Funnily enough, this wasn't even as big as it is. Yes, I was going to be more cramped than this already is, but you'll notice how I managed to save it by scaling the entire thing.
The dark blue sections being disjointed is also something I can see why you'd be bugged by it. Is it that big of a deal though? Or is it a nitpick in comparison to the rest of the design?
As for the step tail, that's just part of the Alper. I atleast can't make the OG alper without that weirdness. I've already thought about it and had discussions too, and I think a bigger version of this without that weirdness might be a future plan to look into to build.
Just tagging people who showed interest. Wanted to know what you think so far. And yes, it does have an actually working start up procedure, but you won't even have to perform it to go, making it AI Friendly. For those wondering, 618 parts and the the perfomance cost is 3000.
@ThomasRoderick I 100% agree.
You can't make those designs though If you don't go through the development arc I had. You have to admit that some other hypersonic SSTO designs, though perfectly functional, look crappy.
That new echostar is form after function, but it does also have the form in mind, that is why the whole folding wings. That is NOT a conventional design choice for hypersonics. It wasn't a result of entirely just "Make the best possible version in terms of IRL physics", It was more "How can we make this near impossible to work IRL plane into something genuinely plausible". The twin booms and forward swept wings are still a part of it, and reason why it looks so... NICE. let's say. Still though, thanks for forcing some more realism into my designs!
@Solent19 I pride myself on making smooth, near timeless looking designs. @ThomasRoderick (someone I very often ask for opinions) would agree too. He knows how much I like to overdo the beauty over functionality 💀
It has been getting better with the newer stuff I make though, the form follows function ideaology.
Simply put, try making each of your fuselage pieces purposeful to a sort of... "Flow". One piece transitions to another.
@YarisSedan I don't think the main fuselage needs to go any bigger. I can just raise the seats a little to accomodate for the leg room and cramp it up a little more and you'll have an 8 seater regional prop.
@YarisSedan I will have to rework the central fuselage but it might be doable in a foreseeable future.
Also, it's nice to know it does give off a luxury vibe. I was worried it wouldn't lol
I should hopefully complete the cockpit tomorrow if I crunch.
It's a good thing I actually enjoy doing cockpit work or this would have been a nightmare. Worst part is I'm already living one and this is working as a temporary escapism xD
@YarisSedan Im working on it hard as we speak. The landing gear is done, some other mechanisms are done as well. I'm just making sure it's all working well right now, then Ill move to do the interiors and such... and if the difficulties that i'm facing IRL don't persist, then I may be able to push it out tomorrow. That said, my mental headspace isn't at it's best right now so let's see.
@ReynaldoIndustries I worked on the landing gear so that it's better optimized now. THAT SAID, you'd still end up slammping the nose gear down because of the brakes unless you're a pro Pilot
@TheMouse thank you man! Appreciate it!
@ThomasRoderick You come up with an excuse for it because I have no practical reason to give you other than "I wanted to keep that design from the original"
And no, this isn't the final alper like I've told you like 10 times and yes, I will make a more realistic one that can actually fly IRL.
@Boeing727200F my bad. I went to sleep xD
@Solent19 ah. I see. I'll see if I can correct it or something.
I placed it far back because I do want the pilot to actually put their legs somewhere... So...
@SuperSuperTheSylph You bet I damnit am.
+1@Solent19 trust me when I say I tried absolutely everything I could with the drag here. I XML modded basically the entirety of this thing thing. Put it simply, the only workable alternative is just use a single block to simulate the overall drag coeff. I didn't do that or try to go too low with dragScale numbers because I still wanted some semblance of ... You know... Simulation.
But I hear you, and I will work to improve that aspect. As for the stick, that's mostly a practical decision. I originally wanted a yolk, but space very quickly became a valuable possesion. Hence why I went with this
The cockpit camera... Shoot I was supposed to disable it. That is fully on me... My bad on that!
@Solent19 also, let me know what you think about the plane. How she handles and such...
@Solent19 THATS WHY HE IS THE GOATT
+1THE GOAAATTTTT
@Rb2h that's a surprise. Even to me. I didn't think it'd be that high.
@hpgbproductions thank you for the criticism! Always lovely to hear it. As for the instrument panels, I agree. It should be bigger, but I was too far in to have to pull out. Funnily enough, this wasn't even as big as it is. Yes, I was going to be more cramped than this already is, but you'll notice how I managed to save it by scaling the entire thing.
The dark blue sections being disjointed is also something I can see why you'd be bugged by it. Is it that big of a deal though? Or is it a nitpick in comparison to the rest of the design?
As for the step tail, that's just part of the Alper. I atleast can't make the OG alper without that weirdness. I've already thought about it and had discussions too, and I think a bigger version of this without that weirdness might be a future plan to look into to build.
Once again, tysm for the comment and upvote!
@crazyplaness Is it VR capable though? because last time i made This, it didn't qualify for curation
@Rb2h just added them
+1@TheMouse
+1@LunarEclipseSP
@Saturn0
@SuperSuperTheSylph
@ReynaldoIndustries
@Grob0s0VBRa
+1@Sadboye12
@Chaunhkhoa
+2@AWESOMENESS360
@TTL
@Rb2h
@Solent19
+1@YarisSedan
@Pnut
@hpgbproductions
@MIGFOXHOUND31BSM26
ARGHHHHHHHHH frick it early post for everyone even though it's late as heck. All tags are from teasers (Which I'll be deleting soon)
Just tagging people who showed interest. Wanted to know what you think so far. And yes, it does have an actually working start up procedure, but you won't even have to perform it to go, making it AI Friendly. For those wondering, 618 parts and the the perfomance cost is 3000.
@TheMouse
@LunarEclipseSP
@Saturn0
@SuperSuperTheSylph
@ReynaldoIndustries
@Grob0s0VBRa
@Sadboye12
@Chaunhkhoa
@AWESOMENESS360
@TTL
@Rb2h
@Solent19
@YarisSedan
@Pnut
@hpgbproductions
@MIGFOXHOUND31BSM26
@Boeing727200F Look at it now.
@Boeing727200F BRO I DIDN'T PUT THE IMAGES UP YET
@AnonymousBeater Cheri Cheri Lady
@ThomasRoderick I 100% agree.
You can't make those designs though If you don't go through the development arc I had. You have to admit that some other hypersonic SSTO designs, though perfectly functional, look crappy.
That new echostar is form after function, but it does also have the form in mind, that is why the whole folding wings. That is NOT a conventional design choice for hypersonics. It wasn't a result of entirely just "Make the best possible version in terms of IRL physics", It was more "How can we make this near impossible to work IRL plane into something genuinely plausible". The twin booms and forward swept wings are still a part of it, and reason why it looks so... NICE. let's say. Still though, thanks for forcing some more realism into my designs!
+1@ThomasRoderick which does make them timeless in a way. Also, the final Echostar we decided on is 100% going to be a timeless design.
Also when I say timeless, I mean to say only in terms of how they look. Not the functionality.
+1@SouthJetLinhasAereas you're welcome :D
@Solent19 I pride myself on making smooth, near timeless looking designs. @ThomasRoderick (someone I very often ask for opinions) would agree too. He knows how much I like to overdo the beauty over functionality 💀
It has been getting better with the newer stuff I make though, the form follows function ideaology.
+2Simply put, try making each of your fuselage pieces purposeful to a sort of... "Flow". One piece transitions to another.
@YarisSedan I don't think the main fuselage needs to go any bigger. I can just raise the seats a little to accomodate for the leg room and cramp it up a little more and you'll have an 8 seater regional prop.
Woah. The body work on this is lovely.
+1@Rb2h Thank you!
+1@YarisSedan I will have to rework the central fuselage but it might be doable in a foreseeable future.
Also, it's nice to know it does give off a luxury vibe. I was worried it wouldn't lol
@Pnut thank you!
@Rb2h normally don't ask for this but... I'd love to hear your opinion!
+1I should hopefully complete the cockpit tomorrow if I crunch.
It's a good thing I actually enjoy doing cockpit work or this would have been a nightmare. Worst part is I'm already living one and this is working as a temporary escapism xD
@Solent19
+1Since you were interested in seeing what Im doing with the inside job
reminds me of @otana 's stuff. Pretty cool!
@YarisSedan
+1XD
It's alright. It's in fact helping that there's atleast interaction happening here to keep me busy
@YarisSedan Im working on it hard as we speak. The landing gear is done, some other mechanisms are done as well. I'm just making sure it's all working well right now, then Ill move to do the interiors and such... and if the difficulties that i'm facing IRL don't persist, then I may be able to push it out tomorrow. That said, my mental headspace isn't at it's best right now so let's see.
+1@YarisSedan This one will be permanent tho. I really like it. Thanks for the upvote!
@ReynaldoIndustries I worked on the landing gear so that it's better optimized now. THAT SAID, you'd still end up slammping the nose gear down because of the brakes unless you're a pro Pilot
@RailfanEthan thanks for waiting for 3.5 years for my reply
@ReynaldoIndustries xD