@edensk
The variants, no, I'm talking about the basic versions, F15A, Rafale F2/F3, as for the sources, check them yourself, it is most often from Wikipedia.
@SyntheticL
Indeed, but I prefer to put the basic version of the F15, to show its age, its improvements have not changed the plane a lot, on paper and on pure performance, it is the same, even if the capacities are improved. If I add the best version of the F15, I should do the same with the Rafale, taking the F4 version, but that would be too technical.
@PioThePioneer
Yes, the Rafale A it barely exceeded the Mach, it was equipped with two General Electric F404-GE-400.
For the prototype, there were no powerful engines.
After, we put in the snecma M88, which allows it to approach Mach2
@PioThePioneer
Hem, top speed of the Rafale is Mach 1.8, 2200 km/h .
Cruise speed of Rafale is 1 487 km/h. Litrally from Dassault website, you can find that in Wikipedia too.
It's on Dassault website, 1,389 km/h is maybe the speed without PC, but I think it is 1487 km/h without PC.
@Tetrodotoxin
I know I could have found a better example for the Foxbat and the F35, but that's basically it, one is faster but heavier, the other less, but is more maneuverable, I'm not looking to do in the complex, but in simplicity.
The F15 goes higher (like the Foxbat goes higher than a Su30), but I'm talking about acceleration, not maximum altitude.
I did not add the Eurofighter, because I wanted to compare to American planes, the Eurofighter has its flaws and quality, overall inferior to the Rafale, remember the dogfight 7 to 1, but having a top speed of 100km/h higher.
@Beefy The Rafale was designed to do everything to perfection, which is what makes it a fighter apart. And we cannot compare an outdated F15 to a Rafale which is 30 years younger.
@Vastalen It's ugly, for you, not for me, anyone his tastes, learn to talk, firstly, if it's ugly for you, it's good, but it's for you.
Sorry, but he started, and I don't like when someone lie, it's my right to rectify it.
@F104Deathtrap
I don't even understand what you are saying ... Why compare the Rafale to an old obsolete 50 year old aircraft ? The Rafale is much more agile, and beats it in dogfight easily. In addition, a piper could not have carried out these bombings, he would have been shot down fairly quickly by a stinger, which the terrorists possess. Nor could a piper have attacked a Turkish base by overriding its anti-aircraft system, muppet 🤣.
The F15 accelerates much more slowly than the Rafale and is much less agile and manoeuvrable, it does not even have half of the technologies on board Rafale, and does not have the radar discretion of the Rafale, which has a form of stealth (RCS) , allowing it to be very discreet on KU or X bands. In short, it's like comparing a Mig25 with a Su57, you understand ?
A Rafale costs a price for its performance and quality, and is far better than any American aircraft available for sale. Logical that it is more expensive than an outdated 50-year-old plane !! The Rafale beat in dogfight its so-called competitor Eurofighter with the score of 7 to 1, and the F22 with the score of 2 to 0. With such scores, he deserves his prize. But to put an end to this futile and incongruous discusion in this phorum, I will have to regret you block, sorry.
@F104Deathtrap
I have just told you what the Rafales have done, it is an aircraft as good for deep bombing as it is for air combat, it performs both better than a fighter in air combat or better than a bomber in bombardment. They have proven themselves in operation and meet all the criteria, they are good, and are useful in combat, and not expensive for the quality of the aircraft, it is is an airplane manufactured by hand, and not on assembly lines, the assembly is done with care, with state-of-the-art equipment, the quality manufacture has a cost, but it is reliable and meets all expectations, and is not expensive compared to competitors, more expensive, less efficient, and less well made.
The F-104 was beautiful, but it cost the lives of dozens of pilots, the Mirage III was much better, as fast, more manoeuvrable, more multirole, as beautiful, or even more. Do not forget that Mirage III are still in service in some countries today, in Pakistan for example.
The Rafale cannot be compared to the F104, but rather to the superb Mirage III, which was an excellent aircraft.
@F104Deathtrap
This is good, but who cares, what matters is not the fighter board, but the capabilities, for the moment, the Rafale has not been used against enemy planes, he is not 50 years old, him, but we don't care, and besides, why come and talk badly about planes in a section where there are just screenshots of ships ? An anti-Rafale complex, or a complex encouraging you to enhance your old F15 ?
The Rafales managed to carry out all kinds of ground operations without being hit, they destroyed a Turkish base without being spotted and the Turks did not even know what had attacked them in the moment, they carried out operations against ISIS and were the most efficient planes against them, they dominated the skies of Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, in short, they carried out operations against countries and against ISIS without the slightest loss, it is the best plane multirole fighter in the world, and what's more, capable of winning against the best American fighter plane in dogfight, France and foreign customers are very satisfied.
The thing is, the Rafale is so better than the F35, or any other American plane of the moment, more agile and more maneuverable than the F22 or an old F15, so much better on-board aircraft than the F18, it put a dogfight beating on your best fighter plane, it's a fact, it's proven, it's on video, it annoys, but at least that calms the American "anti-Rafale" propaganda, to better sell their F35 shit, but it failed, Greece, Egypt, Croatia and India are receiving their Rafales.
Rafale > F15 > F22 > F16 > F18 > F35
@brians1209
Okay ! Yes, that's for sure, it's big caliber, not a "small" 7.7 or 7.92mm machine gun.
Indeed, that should shot down quite quickly a WWI plane.
@F104Deathtrap ??
Try a dogfight Rafale VS F15 , and come again write here lol 😏 .
AH, and do you remember the fight between the F22 and the Rafale, the video seen from the HUD of the Rafale, it seems to me that it is very badly ended for the F22 totally mastered by the (good) pilot of the Rafale !
it was the same day the Rafales put the Eurofighters 7 to 1, in a 4v4 fight.
@GrangerDynamics Merci !
Pour les photos, il faut déja installer ce mod la , après, tu prend trois capture d'écran, que tu modifies ensuite. Et finalement, tu ouvres l'image, et tu zoome parfaitement dessus afin qu'elle prenne tout l'écran.
Making glass cockpits is not very complicated, very easy even, given the shape of this one, the most complicated will be to make the detailed interior.
If you were dead, how would you write that ?
Indeed, this plane does not look bad, I will regret to don't see a glass cockpit, but hey, what is this plane ?
If I want to do that, I will not try to make one, I directly buy a real rocket launcher, I would recover an LRAC F1 in the surplus of the army (it will be a little more dangerous than cardboard ammunition, but hey)
But I admit that your DIY is really well done.
"It was replaced by the Panavia Tornado and the Eurofighter Typhoon in the RAF and the Dassault Rafale in the French Air Force."
I quibble, but if you mention the (old) tornado in RAF, also mention for the FAF the Mirages 2000B, C and D which can bombard. (unless it is an "oversight" of wikipedia, but in short, who cares.) Otherwise, it's a nice plane
@NINJ4PRO
Ah oui, compliqué de faire ça sur mobile /:
La semaine prochaine, je termine (ou pas) mon croiseur De Grasse, ce sera ma meilleure création, mais je n'ai pas une minute pour le faire cette semaine...
@NINJ4PRO Désolé pour ton anglais dégoutant tu dis... et je continue à parler anglais avec un français... 🙄 (pas la première fois que ça m'arrive)
T'es sur le serveur discord SP francophone en fait ?
Nice sub !!
@JuanAlt Salut.
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@edensk
The variants, no, I'm talking about the basic versions, F15A, Rafale F2/F3, as for the sources, check them yourself, it is most often from Wikipedia.
@SyntheticL
+1Indeed, but I prefer to put the basic version of the F15, to show its age, its improvements have not changed the plane a lot, on paper and on pure performance, it is the same, even if the capacities are improved. If I add the best version of the F15, I should do the same with the Rafale, taking the F4 version, but that would be too technical.
@PioThePioneer
Yes, the Rafale A it barely exceeded the Mach, it was equipped with two General Electric F404-GE-400.
For the prototype, there were no powerful engines.
After, we put in the snecma M88, which allows it to approach Mach2
@MemrWii I wonder if it's not you on your profile picture, it must look like you physically, right ?
@PioThePioneer
Hem, top speed of the Rafale is Mach 1.8, 2200 km/h .
Cruise speed of Rafale is 1 487 km/h.
Litrally from Dassault website, you can find that in Wikipedia too.
It's on Dassault website, 1,389 km/h is maybe the speed without PC, but I think it is 1487 km/h without PC.
@Tetrodotoxin
I know I could have found a better example for the Foxbat and the F35, but that's basically it, one is faster but heavier, the other less, but is more maneuverable, I'm not looking to do in the complex, but in simplicity.
The F15 goes higher (like the Foxbat goes higher than a Su30), but I'm talking about acceleration, not maximum altitude.
I did not add the Eurofighter, because I wanted to compare to American planes, the Eurofighter has its flaws and quality, overall inferior to the Rafale, remember the dogfight 7 to 1, but having a top speed of 100km/h higher.
@FeatherWing
I hope it's over, I just gave some real and valid arguments, I think I'll stop there.
@MemrWii Calling someone else a subhuman is not the best way to keep your SP account.
@MemrWii Are you OK ? Not ill ? I just make a simple comparison.
@Beefy The Rafale was designed to do everything to perfection, which is what makes it a fighter apart. And we cannot compare an outdated F15 to a Rafale which is 30 years younger.
@F104Deathtrap
+1@SyntheticL
+1I know, in my future De Grasse curiser, I will make sure to have less drag points, I was remarked about it on the french sp discord serv.
@Tookan Ah, okay lol
@Tookan not very clear
@Tully2 You don't understand, okay. What annoy me is not his opinion, it is the fact he lie, you just need to read.
@exosuit He just says false and stupid things, it's not true, my ego don't care lol
@Vastalen It's ugly, for you, not for me, anyone his tastes, learn to talk, firstly, if it's ugly for you, it's good, but it's for you.
Sorry, but he started, and I don't like when someone lie, it's my right to rectify it.
@TheMaus True, but not lies. but I prefer that we say it without lying, what he says is wrong and insulting, anyway, I'm disconnecting now.
@TheMaus Nationalist ? Who ? Me or the yank ?
+2I'm a patriot, and I'm realist.
@Ergi I'm nice to the nice people, I'm bad to the bad guys.
+2I'm still going to change the title and put "a bad guy" instead of idiot.
@SyntheticL Yes, it's perfect !
+1@F104Deathtrap
+1I don't even understand what you are saying ... Why compare the Rafale to an old obsolete 50 year old aircraft ? The Rafale is much more agile, and beats it in dogfight easily. In addition, a piper could not have carried out these bombings, he would have been shot down fairly quickly by a stinger, which the terrorists possess. Nor could a piper have attacked a Turkish base by overriding its anti-aircraft system, muppet 🤣.
The F15 accelerates much more slowly than the Rafale and is much less agile and manoeuvrable, it does not even have half of the technologies on board Rafale, and does not have the radar discretion of the Rafale, which has a form of stealth (RCS) , allowing it to be very discreet on KU or X bands. In short, it's like comparing a Mig25 with a Su57, you understand ?
A Rafale costs a price for its performance and quality, and is far better than any American aircraft available for sale. Logical that it is more expensive than an outdated 50-year-old plane !! The Rafale beat in dogfight its so-called competitor Eurofighter with the score of 7 to 1, and the F22 with the score of 2 to 0. With such scores, he deserves his prize. But to put an end to this futile and incongruous discusion in this phorum, I will have to regret you block, sorry.
@F104Deathtrap
+1I have just told you what the Rafales have done, it is an aircraft as good for deep bombing as it is for air combat, it performs both better than a fighter in air combat or better than a bomber in bombardment. They have proven themselves in operation and meet all the criteria, they are good, and are useful in combat, and not expensive for the quality of the aircraft, it is is an airplane manufactured by hand, and not on assembly lines, the assembly is done with care, with state-of-the-art equipment, the quality manufacture has a cost, but it is reliable and meets all expectations, and is not expensive compared to competitors, more expensive, less efficient, and less well made.
The F-104 was beautiful, but it cost the lives of dozens of pilots, the Mirage III was much better, as fast, more manoeuvrable, more multirole, as beautiful, or even more. Do not forget that Mirage III are still in service in some countries today, in Pakistan for example.
The Rafale cannot be compared to the F104, but rather to the superb Mirage III, which was an excellent aircraft.
@F104Deathtrap
+1This is good, but who cares, what matters is not the fighter board, but the capabilities, for the moment, the Rafale has not been used against enemy planes, he is not 50 years old, him, but we don't care, and besides, why come and talk badly about planes in a section where there are just screenshots of ships ? An anti-Rafale complex, or a complex encouraging you to enhance your old F15 ?
The Rafales managed to carry out all kinds of ground operations without being hit, they destroyed a Turkish base without being spotted and the Turks did not even know what had attacked them in the moment, they carried out operations against ISIS and were the most efficient planes against them, they dominated the skies of Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, in short, they carried out operations against countries and against ISIS without the slightest loss, it is the best plane multirole fighter in the world, and what's more, capable of winning against the best American fighter plane in dogfight, France and foreign customers are very satisfied.
The thing is, the Rafale is so better than the F35, or any other American plane of the moment, more agile and more maneuverable than the F22 or an old F15, so much better on-board aircraft than the F18, it put a dogfight beating on your best fighter plane, it's a fact, it's proven, it's on video, it annoys, but at least that calms the American "anti-Rafale" propaganda, to better sell their F35 shit, but it failed, Greece, Egypt, Croatia and India are receiving their Rafales.
Rafale > F15 > F22 > F16 > F18 > F35
@brians1209
+1Okay ! Yes, that's for sure, it's big caliber, not a "small" 7.7 or 7.92mm machine gun.
Indeed, that should shot down quite quickly a WWI plane.
Nice !
+1But the machine gun seems a bit oversized to me.
@F104Deathtrap ??
Try a dogfight Rafale VS F15 , and come again write here lol 😏 .
AH, and do you remember the fight between the F22 and the Rafale, the video seen from the HUD of the Rafale, it seems to me that it is very badly ended for the F22 totally mastered by the (good) pilot of the Rafale !
it was the same day the Rafales put the Eurofighters 7 to 1, in a 4v4 fight.
Rafale : 9
Eurofighters and F22 : 1
LOL
+1This thing looks fantastic, alas, I would never dare to download it, my computer would die instantly.
+2@GrangerDynamics Merci !
Pour les photos, il faut déja installer ce mod la , après, tu prend trois capture d'écran, que tu modifies ensuite. Et finalement, tu ouvres l'image, et tu zoome parfaitement dessus afin qu'elle prenne tout l'écran.
Making glass cockpits is not very complicated, very easy even, given the shape of this one, the most complicated will be to make the detailed interior.
One small question : What the hell is it ??
The helmet of Satan ? An horrible alien from a terrifying planet ?
If you were dead, how would you write that ?
Indeed, this plane does not look bad, I will regret to don't see a glass cockpit, but hey, what is this plane ?
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Goliath, like the spider
+1The best general of all time anyway. And the one who won the most battles. 56 battles won, for example, Julius Caesar won only 23.
+5@SyntheticL The E was Embraer, so I will say Fairchild.
+1Ah, nice ship, your drawing of this boat comes from Shipbucket, I have a phorum with alot of that
Dassault
+1Funny. . .
If I want to do that, I will not try to make one, I directly buy a real rocket launcher, I would recover an LRAC F1 in the surplus of the army (it will be a little more dangerous than cardboard ammunition, but hey)
But I admit that your DIY is really well done.
𝓔𝓽 𝓶𝓸𝓲 𝓳𝓮 𝓭𝓲𝓼 𝓺𝓾𝓮 𝓬'𝓮𝓼𝓽 𝓾𝓷 𝓫𝓮𝓵 𝓪𝓿𝓲𝓸𝓷.
+2this thing is not a military plane, but rather a flying scooter.
"It was replaced by the Panavia Tornado and the Eurofighter Typhoon in the RAF and the Dassault Rafale in the French Air Force."
+1I quibble, but if you mention the (old) tornado in RAF, also mention for the FAF the Mirages 2000B, C and D which can bombard. (unless it is an "oversight" of wikipedia, but in short, who cares.)
Otherwise, it's a nice plane
@NINJ4PRO
Ah oui, compliqué de faire ça sur mobile /:
La semaine prochaine, je termine (ou pas) mon croiseur De Grasse, ce sera ma meilleure création, mais je n'ai pas une minute pour le faire cette semaine...
@NINJ4PRO Désolé pour ton anglais dégoutant tu dis... et je continue à parler anglais avec un français... 🙄 (pas la première fois que ça m'arrive)
T'es sur le serveur discord SP francophone en fait ?
@NINJ4PRO
Me, I use the windows photo editor, it increases the quality, by modifying the color, brightness.
Why would they lose effect when going through discord ?? This is what i usually do.
I have some screens too, but that change nothing.