@Overflask Exactly. I think planes were better when they were about shooting other planes down, rather than making them hard to see on radar. People will find a way to detect stealth planes, and then they’ll crate a workaround for that, which will also fail. It’s all futile in the end.
@Overflask True. However, in practice, the SU-57 has a large heat signature and the F-35’s guns don’t work. Welcome to the wonderful world of 5th generation fighters.
On paper the Sukhoi blows the Lockheed out of the water
Top speed 2600 km/h vs 1700 km/h
Ceiling 20000m vs 18500m
Operative range 1800km vs 1138km (F-35C)
Both are stealth and even the cost is different at 50 millions vs 77 millions
That's about the only factual comparative. The rest is a matter of opinion
@asteroidbook345 True. At this point, they should just make stealth AWACS with bvr missiles and multirole ability. It has almost the same effect. (That was not a serious point.)
@BeastHunter it’s got a tiny radar signature which was the point of the stealth design, and it is pretty maneuverable. At this point fighting is mostly done with missiles so maneuverability doesn’t really matter, and it has a built in laser designator for guided bombs. Overall the F-18 is better and much more cost effective but the F-35 at least does sort of what it was designed to do
@asteroidbook345 Does the F-35 do its job? It constantly underperforms and has tons of problems, as well as failing to live up to expectations. I do agree with your take on the SU-57 as well. Modern fighters just aren’t that great.
F-35 is ok, it’s just stupidly expensive for something that does the job of an F-18 but slightly stealthier. The Su-57 isn’t even stealthy given that it has no s-ducts and chunky thrust vectoring nozzles that give it a very large heat signature. The Su-57 is garbage, the F-35 is overpriced but does its job
neither, just use a bi-plane
So basically what y’all are saying is f-18/f-14
@Overflask Yeah.
@BeastHunter and on top of it it's a mad expensive system like we saw in the F117 and B2/B3
@Overflask Exactly. I think planes were better when they were about shooting other planes down, rather than making them hard to see on radar. People will find a way to detect stealth planes, and then they’ll crate a workaround for that, which will also fail. It’s all futile in the end.
@BeastHunter oh damn really? That's lame. My favorite were the previous generations though, not really digging the new designs
@Overflask True. However, in practice, the SU-57 has a large heat signature and the F-35’s guns don’t work. Welcome to the wonderful world of 5th generation fighters.
On paper the Sukhoi blows the Lockheed out of the water
Top speed 2600 km/h vs 1700 km/h
Ceiling 20000m vs 18500m
Operative range 1800km vs 1138km (F-35C)
Both are stealth and even the cost is different at 50 millions vs 77 millions
That's about the only factual comparative. The rest is a matter of opinion
@KitsuneassemblylinesKAL Exactly. And the the Mig-29/SU-27 as well, and maybe the F-15. Basically, 4th generation fighters are the best.
tbh the su57 looks like just a disguised su35 so I'm going with f35
F-35
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@BeastHunter Sweet.
I might get one done for me, if he's willing.
@G2 I asked for it.
@BeastHunter Hey, did wins make that for you on request?
Or did it already exist?
@BeastHunter lol yeah
F-35
@asteroidbook345 True. At this point, they should just make stealth AWACS with bvr missiles and multirole ability. It has almost the same effect. (That was not a serious point.)
@BeastHunter it’s got a tiny radar signature which was the point of the stealth design, and it is pretty maneuverable. At this point fighting is mostly done with missiles so maneuverability doesn’t really matter, and it has a built in laser designator for guided bombs. Overall the F-18 is better and much more cost effective but the F-35 at least does sort of what it was designed to do
@asteroidbook345 Does the F-35 do its job? It constantly underperforms and has tons of problems, as well as failing to live up to expectations. I do agree with your take on the SU-57 as well. Modern fighters just aren’t that great.
F-35 is ok, it’s just stupidly expensive for something that does the job of an F-18 but slightly stealthier. The Su-57 isn’t even stealthy given that it has no s-ducts and chunky thrust vectoring nozzles that give it a very large heat signature. The Su-57 is garbage, the F-35 is overpriced but does its job
Neither.
At least one works :P
F-22 Raptor
MiG-23