Now see, then why are we discussing this so harshly? I'm also a conservative republican. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (formerly known as Mormons). I love America and the rights and freedoms that we have here, and by the way I would never fly the rebel flag over the Stars and Stripes, I love the American flag. Brave men and women have died for that flag. That is the flag of the United States, the country I'm proud to live in and be a part of.
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My stance on the CBF is not that of worship or praise to it's past, or what it means in terms of its meaning of slavery and racism. Southern people have used the rebel flag for generations as a symbol of the southern way of life. The racist meaning has no effect on them. They understand and value the past as a learning experience (again, not ignoring the past, because that is bad), and move on. We all know slavery, racism, white-supremacy, and all that jazz is bad. The flag stands for that according to history. But it has an alternate meaning to us. We are not against the American flag, or also "American Pride", because we are America-loving people. More southerners fly the US flag more the CBF. I would never fly the rebel flag over Old Glory. We love the United States. But to some the CBF is a symbol of southern living, not racism. Yes, it does sound hypocritical from an outsiders point of view, as you said, "You claim to love your country yet fly the flag of the rebel nation that stabbed that country in the back? How does that make sense?". We don't give a crap about the CSA anymore. Not even brought up. Same with racism. We all know its bad and wrong. Yes, from a historical standpoint the flag is racist. Why would I deny blatant facts? Nor am I changing them. But the CBF has a new meaning to us. We remember its old meaning and what wrong things it represented. But that's not what it means to us now. Southern pride is a special pride, that literally has nothing to do with the CSA. Part of my family is also from Arizona, they are proud to be from Arizona. Why can't we be proud of our southern family heritage, while also being proud to be Americans?
You are failing to mention the the time in US history when it is used as a symbol of heritage in the south by common, normal citizens (a lot of southern people). Obviously you are a one sided person, I have reiterated and agree on the facts you have stated, but I have my own opinion (not mine, but a group of people’s) on what the flag means. I am not denying the history, but your just failing to mention the quite obvious fact of how people who use the flag in everyday life as a symbol of their heritage, not as CSA propaganda. It’s the snowflakes and leftists of the government and the population who can’t let people live they want to live (the common southern citizen isn’t infringing on anyone’s rights) so they try and shut them down because, “Oh no! Someone’s offended by the rebel flag! Take it down! Remove the CSA statues! They are racist!” I personally am against LGBTQ and gay pride stuff because of my religious beliefs and my personal opinions. Do I go and protest against them at their rallies and gatherings and stuff? No, because I believe in the freedom to believe in what you want and say what you want, that’s part of what America is about, until you start infringing upon my rights to believe and support what I want. Calling the CBF, me, and those who support the Confederate flag as a part of southern heritage “anti-American”, is quite anti-American.
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And you said heritage is all about the CSA. Dude, obviously you didn’t understand. The CBF has been a part of my southern FAMILY for generations. Southern Pride and Heritage isn’t just “Civil War memories”. This pride is about the southern way of life,
Your also ignoring the fact that most people who use the flag nowadays don't care about and are not white supremacists or racists. Yes, the flag represented (Still does according to facts you said) slavery and the CSA cause, but literally only a smaller percentage of people are making a big deal about it being racist or whatever, because the other small percentage of people use it that way, or because of its original meaning. I agree with you that it was used as a symbol of the CSA, a racist and hateful place. I'm not denying facts over feelings. I am saying that the majority of people are not against the flag, and some people show their support for it, including me. Yes, that is hypocritical, if you just pay attention to the facts and meaning during the Civil War, or the KKK and neo-Nazis. Facts don't change, I agree with you on that. But just because the flag was meant to support the CSA, doesn't mean that is what it means today. The Dukes of Hazzard use the CBF on their car, so are they trying to spread CSA propaganda? Are the producers of the show racists? No. A large majority of my family is southern, and they grew up with the rebel flag, and the song "Dixie". Are they racists, white supremacists, and slavery-loving? No! That flag is a part of their heritage, whether you call it racist and call them hypocrites or not. I am proud of my southern heritage, and I accept that flag as part of it. Are you calling me racist, and anti-American?
Ok, the gist of what believe (I hate typing lol). I know that the CBF is a symbol of racism to people. Sorry to them. It's unfortunate that they feel offended or hurt by the flag. But I am not offended, so I will NOT step down from what I believe for other people's "feelings". If you go and ask people what their opinion is, most people will agree that the south was bad, slavery is bad, racism is bad, ok cool. But the flag? A small percentage of people go around and complain and make a huge deal about it being bad. Also a small percentage of people use it as a modern symbol of racism and white supremacism. So we are left with the middle group of people (the majority) who simply can co-exist with it. Why do we have to cause turmoil when most people could care less about its meaning? Yes the CBF does mean slavery and the things of the CSA, but alternatively it does mean other things (ex. Southern Pride, rebellion against authority). you can pick one side, both sides, or no sides. But yes I agree with your "facts" on how it means slavery to a percentage of people.
People try to overdramatize things in history, and the Confederate battle flag is one example. I agree, that the flag is made out as a symbol of the Confederacy. And I agree that the south was racist and pro-slavery. Yes, the KKK and others use the Confederate flag as a white supremacist emblem. So technically you could connect the dots and say "Oh, the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism and slavery!" Look at this picture. Yes, you see the Confederate flag. But what else do you see? Right, the American flag. This one too. Does this mean that the American flag is a symbol of racism and hate? No! Just because someone uses something for something, doesn't mean that that is what it means and what defines it. Most of those people that fly Confederate flags at their homes and on their trucks are definitely not "anti-American"! I fly the Confederate as a symbol of Southern Pride (which is not slavery), not racism. Most people want to forget the drama and let people fly their flags, because in today's modern society, a huge reason why people think its racist is because other people make a huge deal about it.
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There is a difference with, let's say, the Nazi flag or the Soviet flag. Those flags were designed with the purpose of showing their beliefs, and they have succeeded. The hammer and sickle represent the farmers and laborers working together for a better world, and basically communism. Hitler was a nut job and just thought his flag would look "cool", so the symbols like the swastika have no meaning for anything on the Nazi flag, other than Nazism. The symbols on the CSA battle flag have nothing to do with their stance on slavery. The cross represents the cross of St Michael, with the stars representing the 13 colonies. I don't see slavery and white supremacism in there. So that's what I believe.
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Most people that support the Confederate battle flag are not evil. I support it, and for heaven's sakes I have black friends! The majority are pro-American, anti-slavery, and not racist people. The flag is not evil, nor was it made to be a symbol of racism, and the majority of people show it as Southern or American pride.
Yes I agree that it can be looped into the same category as with the Nazi flag. But I when I go and talk about how I support the Confederate Flag, people know I’m not racist or pro slavery, because they I know I’m not, and that’s not what I believe this flag means. People can use anything to symbolize anything, and I personally don’t symbolize this flag as “racist”. @ThePilotDude
I understand. I'd like to apologize for the argument we had earlier about the flag, can we just move on and not talk about it? I'm not backing down on my point, and I know you won't on yours, so let's just forget about it and move on. Sound like a plan? @ThePilotDude
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Now see, then why are we discussing this so harshly? I'm also a conservative republican. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (formerly known as Mormons). I love America and the rights and freedoms that we have here, and by the way I would never fly the rebel flag over the Stars and Stripes, I love the American flag. Brave men and women have died for that flag. That is the flag of the United States, the country I'm proud to live in and be a part of.
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My stance on the CBF is not that of worship or praise to it's past, or what it means in terms of its meaning of slavery and racism. Southern people have used the rebel flag for generations as a symbol of the southern way of life. The racist meaning has no effect on them. They understand and value the past as a learning experience (again, not ignoring the past, because that is bad), and move on. We all know slavery, racism, white-supremacy, and all that jazz is bad. The flag stands for that according to history. But it has an alternate meaning to us. We are not against the American flag, or also "American Pride", because we are America-loving people. More southerners fly the US flag more the CBF. I would never fly the rebel flag over Old Glory. We love the United States. But to some the CBF is a symbol of southern living, not racism. Yes, it does sound hypocritical from an outsiders point of view, as you said, "You claim to love your country yet fly the flag of the rebel nation that stabbed that country in the back? How does that make sense?". We don't give a crap about the CSA anymore. Not even brought up. Same with racism. We all know its bad and wrong. Yes, from a historical standpoint the flag is racist. Why would I deny blatant facts? Nor am I changing them. But the CBF has a new meaning to us. We remember its old meaning and what wrong things it represented. But that's not what it means to us now. Southern pride is a special pride, that literally has nothing to do with the CSA. Part of my family is also from Arizona, they are proud to be from Arizona. Why can't we be proud of our southern family heritage, while also being proud to be Americans?
You are failing to mention the the time in US history when it is used as a symbol of heritage in the south by common, normal citizens (a lot of southern people). Obviously you are a one sided person, I have reiterated and agree on the facts you have stated, but I have my own opinion (not mine, but a group of people’s) on what the flag means. I am not denying the history, but your just failing to mention the quite obvious fact of how people who use the flag in everyday life as a symbol of their heritage, not as CSA propaganda. It’s the snowflakes and leftists of the government and the population who can’t let people live they want to live (the common southern citizen isn’t infringing on anyone’s rights) so they try and shut them down because, “Oh no! Someone’s offended by the rebel flag! Take it down! Remove the CSA statues! They are racist!” I personally am against LGBTQ and gay pride stuff because of my religious beliefs and my personal opinions. Do I go and protest against them at their rallies and gatherings and stuff? No, because I believe in the freedom to believe in what you want and say what you want, that’s part of what America is about, until you start infringing upon my rights to believe and support what I want. Calling the CBF, me, and those who support the Confederate flag as a part of southern heritage “anti-American”, is quite anti-American.
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And you said heritage is all about the CSA. Dude, obviously you didn’t understand. The CBF has been a part of my southern FAMILY for generations. Southern Pride and Heritage isn’t just “Civil War memories”. This pride is about the southern way of life,
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Your also ignoring the fact that most people who use the flag nowadays don't care about and are not white supremacists or racists. Yes, the flag represented (Still does according to facts you said) slavery and the CSA cause, but literally only a smaller percentage of people are making a big deal about it being racist or whatever, because the other small percentage of people use it that way, or because of its original meaning. I agree with you that it was used as a symbol of the CSA, a racist and hateful place. I'm not denying facts over feelings. I am saying that the majority of people are not against the flag, and some people show their support for it, including me. Yes, that is hypocritical, if you just pay attention to the facts and meaning during the Civil War, or the KKK and neo-Nazis. Facts don't change, I agree with you on that. But just because the flag was meant to support the CSA, doesn't mean that is what it means today. The Dukes of Hazzard use the CBF on their car, so are they trying to spread CSA propaganda? Are the producers of the show racists? No. A large majority of my family is southern, and they grew up with the rebel flag, and the song "Dixie". Are they racists, white supremacists, and slavery-loving? No! That flag is a part of their heritage, whether you call it racist and call them hypocrites or not. I am proud of my southern heritage, and I accept that flag as part of it. Are you calling me racist, and anti-American?
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Ok, the gist of what believe (I hate typing lol). I know that the CBF is a symbol of racism to people. Sorry to them. It's unfortunate that they feel offended or hurt by the flag. But I am not offended, so I will NOT step down from what I believe for other people's "feelings". If you go and ask people what their opinion is, most people will agree that the south was bad, slavery is bad, racism is bad, ok cool. But the flag? A small percentage of people go around and complain and make a huge deal about it being bad. Also a small percentage of people use it as a modern symbol of racism and white supremacism. So we are left with the middle group of people (the majority) who simply can co-exist with it. Why do we have to cause turmoil when most people could care less about its meaning? Yes the CBF does mean slavery and the things of the CSA, but alternatively it does mean other things (ex. Southern Pride, rebellion against authority). you can pick one side, both sides, or no sides. But yes I agree with your "facts" on how it means slavery to a percentage of people.
People try to overdramatize things in history, and the Confederate battle flag is one example. I agree, that the flag is made out as a symbol of the Confederacy. And I agree that the south was racist and pro-slavery. Yes, the KKK and others use the Confederate flag as a white supremacist emblem. So technically you could connect the dots and say "Oh, the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism and slavery!" Look at this picture. Yes, you see the Confederate flag. But what else do you see? Right, the American flag. This one too. Does this mean that the American flag is a symbol of racism and hate? No! Just because someone uses something for something, doesn't mean that that is what it means and what defines it. Most of those people that fly Confederate flags at their homes and on their trucks are definitely not "anti-American"! I fly the Confederate as a symbol of Southern Pride (which is not slavery), not racism. Most people want to forget the drama and let people fly their flags, because in today's modern society, a huge reason why people think its racist is because other people make a huge deal about it.
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There is a difference with, let's say, the Nazi flag or the Soviet flag. Those flags were designed with the purpose of showing their beliefs, and they have succeeded. The hammer and sickle represent the farmers and laborers working together for a better world, and basically communism. Hitler was a nut job and just thought his flag would look "cool", so the symbols like the swastika have no meaning for anything on the Nazi flag, other than Nazism. The symbols on the CSA battle flag have nothing to do with their stance on slavery. The cross represents the cross of St Michael, with the stars representing the 13 colonies. I don't see slavery and white supremacism in there. So that's what I believe.
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Most people that support the Confederate battle flag are not evil. I support it, and for heaven's sakes I have black friends! The majority are pro-American, anti-slavery, and not racist people. The flag is not evil, nor was it made to be a symbol of racism, and the majority of people show it as Southern or American pride.
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Yes I agree that it can be looped into the same category as with the Nazi flag. But I when I go and talk about how I support the Confederate Flag, people know I’m not racist or pro slavery, because they I know I’m not, and that’s not what I believe this flag means. People can use anything to symbolize anything, and I personally don’t symbolize this flag as “racist”. @ThePilotDude
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I understand. I'd like to apologize for the argument we had earlier about the flag, can we just move on and not talk about it? I'm not backing down on my point, and I know you won't on yours, so let's just forget about it and move on. Sound like a plan? @ThePilotDude
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