@U2 that doesn't change the fact the f-22 is better then the su-57, sure the su-57 can do cool maneuvers and such not, but those would never be used in a real war scenario combined with it's lower speed and less stealth capabilities it's a mid tier 5th gen jet that looks cool
@BeeEngineer and what do you mean effective altitude, I tested the planes and there effective altitude is in-between 20k and 30k, also may I request we use the info from turboprops and attempting to rebuild the turbojets, that we start development of something known as a high bypass turbofan (j90) thanks
@BeeEngineer if ya want though i can make the propellers shorter, but still, just because the thunder screech never went into full scale production doesn't mean it isn't possible
@BeeEngineer we can agree on one thing though, going nose first towards a mc-47 is a death sentence, also did the 50 mm cannon nearly take the last ce-15s wing or was it just from the firepower of 6 machine guns?
@BeeEngineer also here me out, the mc-47 would still likely get 2-3 kills per mission before it has to return to base, most of them being from the dogfight as the mc-47 turns sharper then any jet fighter while staying maybe 50-70 mph behind, but it loses alot of speed while turning, so that's probably how most of the jets get away, despite the mc-47s high acceleration the jets would get away after the 2nd or 3rd kill, that's why I'm redesigning the mc-57 to dive onto enemy's with the mc-47 to help increase a successful mission, since it will be faster but abit less maneuverable, but what do i know could be different until the mc-57 arrives to help the mc-47s, but yeah in general you made it obvious the ce-15 and 18s main weakness is it's ability to turn
@BeeEngineer :D
@Robomo00119 this is very good and very accurate totally aircraft totally
@BeeEngineer and the debuffed mc-67 for mass production is ready to https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/d1F2qF/Jordia-War-Challange-mc-67
@BeeEngineer these are easy pickings
@BeeEngineer I did not expect this from the more advanced country
It's ready
@BeeEngineer https://www.simpleplanes.com/a/534Y2y/Jordia-War-Challange-mc-47-cas
@BeeEngineer yea aircraft are easy to make dogfight
@BeeEngineer and all the mc-47s are gonna go through a cas conversation since they aren't the best at air to air against modern ce-18s
@BeeEngineer hmm ok, we can also have a second version with 6 guns and 3 auto cannons to fill the gap since we need these to protect the new bombers
@BeeEngineer I will make a ground attack conversation for the mc-47
@BeeEngineer the new bomber can't take off from the uss tiny but it can take off from simple runways or even from the ground like the mc-47 and mc-67
@BeeEngineer
@U2 lies?
So it's a modern f-104 starfighter?
@BeeEngineer when will jets be available, and also I just realized I was in ias mode
@BeeEngineer in terms of air combat we are losing atleast for now
@BeeEngineer I'm mostly focused on aircraft as I have experience with them and I'm developing a long range carrier based bomber and a escort for it
@BeeEngineer or just have the mc-57 be a experimental aircraft
@U2 and the su-57 is the best stealth fighter they got, and it isn't that stealthy compared to other 5th gen aircraft
@U2 if they did they would be spotted by now
@U2 no they dont
@BeeEngineer ok :(
@U2 also you mean by more types of operational jets you mean old Soviet tech that proves to be trash in a war?
@ollielebananiaCFSP do you want a translation?
@BeeEngineer we have nolog the from j50 we tryed to reverse engineer
@BeeEngineer the j-15 is the basic turbo jet
@U2 that doesn't change the fact the f-22 is better then the su-57, sure the su-57 can do cool maneuvers and such not, but those would never be used in a real war scenario combined with it's lower speed and less stealth capabilities it's a mid tier 5th gen jet that looks cool
@ollielebananiaCFSP what?
@BeeEngineer oh, but could we start development of atleast the j-15?
@BeeEngineer and what do you mean effective altitude, I tested the planes and there effective altitude is in-between 20k and 30k, also may I request we use the info from turboprops and attempting to rebuild the turbojets, that we start development of something known as a high bypass turbofan (j90) thanks
@BeeEngineer the mc-57 can fly at 65,000 or so feet and instantly go 700 mph once it dives
@BeeEngineer and mchangia kind of needs a plane like this that can fly even higher
@BeeEngineer if ya want though i can make the propellers shorter, but still, just because the thunder screech never went into full scale production doesn't mean it isn't possible
@BeeEngineer still, it was still made
@BeeEngineer if you want I can remove 2 on the engines though
@BeeEngineer but above 10,000 feet it goes a very simauler speed to the mc-47
@BeeEngineer and that was with one propeller
@BeeEngineer theres also the f-84 thunder screech was designed to go 660
@BeeEngineer I loses speed dramatically as you go higher I think that evens it out
@BeeEngineer I shall continue to wait for the development of jets then
@Yourlocalhuman oh
@BeeEngineer there are 12 mc-47s and 14 mc-57s in the attack
More impressive then my fig-16
24 now!
@BeeEngineer along with the interception of the ce-21s in my mc-57s description 14 will be sent to bomb cespledland
Mc-57 is ready
@BeeEngineer
@BeeEngineer we can agree on one thing though, going nose first towards a mc-47 is a death sentence, also did the 50 mm cannon nearly take the last ce-15s wing or was it just from the firepower of 6 machine guns?
@BeeEngineer also here me out, the mc-47 would still likely get 2-3 kills per mission before it has to return to base, most of them being from the dogfight as the mc-47 turns sharper then any jet fighter while staying maybe 50-70 mph behind, but it loses alot of speed while turning, so that's probably how most of the jets get away, despite the mc-47s high acceleration the jets would get away after the 2nd or 3rd kill, that's why I'm redesigning the mc-57 to dive onto enemy's with the mc-47 to help increase a successful mission, since it will be faster but abit less maneuverable, but what do i know could be different until the mc-57 arrives to help the mc-47s, but yeah in general you made it obvious the ce-15 and 18s main weakness is it's ability to turn