@U2 that doesn't change the fact the f-22 is better then the su-57, sure the su-57 can do cool maneuvers and such not, but those would never be used in a real war scenario combined with it's lower speed and less stealth capabilities it's a mid tier 5th gen jet that looks cool
@BeeEngineer and what do you mean effective altitude, I tested the planes and there effective altitude is in-between 20k and 30k, also may I request we use the info from turboprops and attempting to rebuild the turbojets, that we start development of something known as a high bypass turbofan (j90) thanks
@BeeEngineer if ya want though i can make the propellers shorter, but still, just because the thunder screech never went into full scale production doesn't mean it isn't possible
@U2 no it isn't really, in terms of combat use the f-22 has more stealth and goes faster while being more maneuverable then a su-57 at supersonic speeds
"it has been tested against a f-18 and f-22 and fully capable of winning" in a dogfight maybe, bvr combat this wouldn't see the f-22 comeing and this looks like it has the radar cross section of a f-15 (which is pretty high), still though great build
@BeeEngineer we can agree on one thing though, going nose first towards a mc-47 is a death sentence, also did the 50 mm cannon nearly take the last ce-15s wing or was it just from the firepower of 6 machine guns?
@BeeEngineer also here me out, the mc-47 would still likely get 2-3 kills per mission before it has to return to base, most of them being from the dogfight as the mc-47 turns sharper then any jet fighter while staying maybe 50-70 mph behind, but it loses alot of speed while turning, so that's probably how most of the jets get away, despite the mc-47s high acceleration the jets would get away after the 2nd or 3rd kill, that's why I'm redesigning the mc-57 to dive onto enemy's with the mc-47 to help increase a successful mission, since it will be faster but abit less maneuverable, but what do i know could be different until the mc-57 arrives to help the mc-47s, but yeah in general you made it obvious the ce-15 and 18s main weakness is it's ability to turn
@U2 no they dont
@BeeEngineer ok :(
@ollielebananiaCFSP yeah it was a joke because of the big pylons and big missles one a "stealth fighter" i am learning Japanese though
+1@ollielebananiaCFSP why are you saying kid so much?
+1@U2 also nice cat
+1@U2 I was just saying something i found out
+1@U2 and how did all of this happen over a fact?
+1@U2 the us military has more stealth fighters
+1@U2 I can admit the su-57 is good, but not as good as the f-22
+1@U2 how is that "more produced then f-35"
+1@U2 a good chunk of the su-57 fleet are poorly made prototypes
+1@U2 and there's only 20 or so su-57s, and close to 200 f-22s and 400+ (the f-35 is still being produced) f-35s
+1@U2 the f-35 will get a block4 upgrade and continue to be produced
+1@U2 well yea the mig-29 is a fourth gen jet, the f-4 is a third gen jet and the f-16 is bassicly a older f-35
+1@U2 also you mean by more types of operational jets you mean old Soviet tech that proves to be trash in a war?
@ollielebananiaCFSP do you want a translation?
@BeeEngineer we have nolog the from j50 we tryed to reverse engineer
@BeeEngineer the j-15 is the basic turbo jet
@U2 that doesn't change the fact the f-22 is better then the su-57, sure the su-57 can do cool maneuvers and such not, but those would never be used in a real war scenario combined with it's lower speed and less stealth capabilities it's a mid tier 5th gen jet that looks cool
@ollielebananiaCFSP what?
@BeeEngineer oh, but could we start development of atleast the j-15?
@BeeEngineer and what do you mean effective altitude, I tested the planes and there effective altitude is in-between 20k and 30k, also may I request we use the info from turboprops and attempting to rebuild the turbojets, that we start development of something known as a high bypass turbofan (j90) thanks
@BeeEngineer the mc-57 can fly at 65,000 or so feet and instantly go 700 mph once it dives
@BeeEngineer and mchangia kind of needs a plane like this that can fly even higher
@BeeEngineer if ya want though i can make the propellers shorter, but still, just because the thunder screech never went into full scale production doesn't mean it isn't possible
@BeeEngineer still, it was still made
@BeeEngineer if you want I can remove 2 on the engines though
@BeeEngineer but above 10,000 feet it goes a very simauler speed to the mc-47
@BeeEngineer and that was with one propeller
@BeeEngineer theres also the f-84 thunder screech was designed to go 660
@BeeEngineer I loses speed dramatically as you go higher I think that evens it out
@BeeEngineer I shall continue to wait for the development of jets then
@Yourlocalhuman oh
@Bleepblopbloop ok
+1@BeeEngineer there are 12 mc-47s and 14 mc-57s in the attack
More impressive then my fig-16
24 now!
@U2 there is a reason the f-22 is still called the best fighter jet
+1@U2 no it isn't really, in terms of combat use the f-22 has more stealth and goes faster while being more maneuverable then a su-57 at supersonic speeds
+1@Bleepblopbloop it doesn't even have a visible radar, which means it probably relies on a awacs 24/7
+1@Bleepblopbloop probably
+1"it has been tested against a f-18 and f-22 and fully capable of winning" in a dogfight maybe, bvr combat this wouldn't see the f-22 comeing and this looks like it has the radar cross section of a f-15 (which is pretty high), still though great build
+1@U2 no the f-22 is the best fighter ever built, and the f-4 could out speed the 21
+1@BeeEngineer along with the interception of the ce-21s in my mc-57s description 14 will be sent to bomb cespledland
Mc-57 is ready
@BeeEngineer
@BeeEngineer we can agree on one thing though, going nose first towards a mc-47 is a death sentence, also did the 50 mm cannon nearly take the last ce-15s wing or was it just from the firepower of 6 machine guns?
@BeeEngineer also here me out, the mc-47 would still likely get 2-3 kills per mission before it has to return to base, most of them being from the dogfight as the mc-47 turns sharper then any jet fighter while staying maybe 50-70 mph behind, but it loses alot of speed while turning, so that's probably how most of the jets get away, despite the mc-47s high acceleration the jets would get away after the 2nd or 3rd kill, that's why I'm redesigning the mc-57 to dive onto enemy's with the mc-47 to help increase a successful mission, since it will be faster but abit less maneuverable, but what do i know could be different until the mc-57 arrives to help the mc-47s, but yeah in general you made it obvious the ce-15 and 18s main weakness is it's ability to turn
@BeeEngineer in the mean time, could we start development of the basic guided missle? (Guardian)
@BeeEngineer I will have to design the mc-57 because of the ce-18