@Technion
Looks really interesting. What if I am a mixed builder?
I mean, this just sound all too complicated.
I would rather be the kind of "free-wrench" that helps out here and there but have no affixed job or responsibility because I may, say, be away for like 6 month at a time
And also, this entire thing was mostly absent for quite some time, you know.
Once upon a time, there is a 4,200 parts build...
Ah, that land cruiser
and the system says, "there is no way you can download this and not explode your device. ago try something else".
Obviously the phones are much better now and can almost run this at double speed (double the calculation)
If it lags on double speed (but playable) you have a decent device
If it do not lag on double speed man you have heck of a device, Too fast.
If it lags and almost crashes then you have a old device (respect) in working.
@BACconcordepilot
lol
"Mostly White" do not point out that they are white people, the grammar don't make sense that way
Fine. I will change that to "Mostly colored white"
@Eligable
You mod the input of the control surface to say "VTOL"
If you can't mod, you can take these wings for free.
Don't thank me, cause I also take these from someone else ... :P
@asteroidbook345
Wow Air:
"It ceased operations on 28 March 2019."
lol.
Yeah, there are ones that are colored (as I pointed out, cathay pacific was one)
Yeah, no camos, but they can paint whatever color they wanted, like black on other civilian aircrafts (say, the sirius arrivée). But most choose white as the background color.
I'm saying this because a lot of aircrafts are not white, and some of them are not white because they think (white is not cool).
White IS cool.
@JamesBoA
Cars ...
That's not true. There are few green cars (and it), but you have plenty of red and blue colors. Yellow, while scarce, can also be found.
We have some golden (not true gold, lol). BRONZE (better) color paints here.
Um...
If you say that most estate cars(so not trucks or other stuff) have 5 bolts for their wheel it may be better. (small cars have less, big cars like trucks have more)
@Tangyuge
Very, very decent walking. (albeit clumsily)
Yes, definitely better than circular motors as this one is more realistic and allows infinite (truly infinite) walking
As well as reversing (while circular motors are good luck)
Can it jump? Even if it is a rocket-assisted jump it's better than nothing
@Tangyuge
Rajins are rather useless now ...
I own a Butch with 4 trebuchet (F2P get from free gold and very, very old forge and parts and crap)
As far as the modeling, I would say, it's well done.
On the walking side ... cough
It's just helplessly waving its limbs around.
None of its feet were lifted before moving, so the net force end up canceling each other, most of the time.
Decent (good) fortress mode.
@321321321123123123
Actually, I am not too sure what do you mean by "10x VTOL power"
So I build a test buggy to try it out.
I also tried other methods of propulsion, like using guns and rotators.
The guns create too many instantaneous torque that can rip the tracks, and the rotators ... well I didn't try that part.
While the 200 mph sounds unimpressive, the top speed without one is a meager 80 mph (which is nonsense too)
The huey (bears similar fuselages) on X-Plane 10, easily goes 120 KNOTS.
So to achieve this 200 mph they don't need such a powerful engine. They only need a little push.
@emprit
Remains as a experimental flying object.
I'm not saying the engine-in-wing thing is bad, but you have to think about why the propeller is there.
You should use these propellers for VTOL. I get it.
So the front two provide lift and the rear one ....
the rear one should provide pitch (nose up and down) control, which it didn't do well ...
Then you have the horizontal flying part. You have jet engines and they does the job fine.
But again, you are not controlling the pitch of your aircraft well ...
@Zyvx
I don't think you really needed infinite fuel, eh?
look at the empty weight parameter for your aircraft. lol
Eh ... something tell me that this is not the air wolf. But I didn't remember much either, so ... yeah.
@Maxim777
Since you also used two shock units stacked up, I am trying out ways to make a "soft hard suspension" like you would IRL. (such as air shocks)
It runs fine. Maybe need more horsepower, but for proof of concept this is sufficient.
I am loading this up with swingarm and double wishbone suspension...
I know. I watch these races and I play Grand Turism myself.
Cool stuff. No I mean it. It's cool. Even though eitle don't really care about them (they care about looks)
Things under the hood don't always get noticed ...
Uh ... Europop? If I listen to them. For more heavy metal maybe ...
I have these songs that I pulled from various places with no author ...
I don't listen to any songs most of the time. Even though the engine noice is ... for the car engine it sound like a old beetle and the propeller engine sound like it have a broken cylinder (except the WWII and the turboprop which sounds decent)
@Maximum777
Oh yeah so now you mention it ...
It also hold true for what's basically the drifting ... estate cars. If they grip well of course they will end up rolling with the cage because high center of gravity.
I drive it on mobile with physics to high. The white bars move (and I can see them move), but I can't figure out what they are all about and other stuff.
But this one's COM is real high (higher than the top of the wheel) and just for that reason, this chassis actually handled very well.
@Maximum777
Actually, Incopied thensuspension geometry from the game (the MMX Racing thingy) and I saw the sliding thingys so I used shocks for those.
It's a bit of head-scratching and yes, admit that what you said is right.
Grand prix in 1 minute for my 250 horsepower F1. (the upper part of this truck)
@LiamW
so you deemed the double arm suspension (what is it called?) is inadequate because you strapped bogies (paired wheels on links) to it.
Don't use too many bogies, though, or they will start to fight each other.
I don't know about the upvote thing, I know I count toward one of them
@LiamW
So this is one of your examples for "outlandish suspension"?
Ahhhh, I see.
Front one is basically the suspension you use in your car, with a twist.
Rear end is swing arm suspension with bogi wheels (the two wheels attached via a rod) or whatever.
Interesting. Very interesting.
@Maximum777
There is a lot of head-scratching designs that don't make any sense, and this one might be one of them.
Basically you are kind of bragging how low your center of gravity is. It is very low, I admit, so good job.
You did a good job replicating the suspension and made a absolute monster out of them.
@Maximum777
The swing arm sways left and right (extremely dangerous and ... low structural integrity?)
Part of the reason the suspension explodes when it hit anything too hard.
Generous amount of travel. And looking cool. I like that bit.
@Maximum777
This is some seriously advanced suspension there ... even though I don't understand why half of them is even there, through viewing slow motions.
So you are saying that my monstertrucks (two separate links) now have a serious contender?
I don't know why would you say "decently stable". I mean, my cars seemed pretty stable. Especially the BLOK (surprisingly stable for a small one)
Addition: testing it on proving grounds.
First try: roll over. Relatively high COM (but acceptable since it's a truck)
Second try: Was going too fast and front wheel hit a flat section. See a couple springs flying out ...
Third try! climbed to the top of ... the pyramid?
Riding dirty:
Oversteer. Thought the suspension can survive a roll (roll over), but it didn't. :(
Ah, here is the thing.
If you look at my suspension (any of them) they are capable of right (make the vehicle straight) the vehicle when there is no turning forces. Your suspension however appeared to have the unique habitat of leaning on one side.
I know it have to do with how your individual swing arms work (the rotator or anything linking them) but so far I don't know.
I am also building new 4 wheel (A.K.A. car) chassises and are learning about suspension.
You are trying to do "Long Arm Suspension". I see.
They have linked rods (rods that are not turnable in the middle)
But I was thinking how do they solve the problem (of the stress) when one wheel is higher than the other ...
@Bossman2
Yes, it is sluggish and wants to go everywhere below 125 mph, but once it reach 200 mph it goes well.
It floats. Did I not tell you that?
Basically pull as hard as you can on the pitch to get it to lift off. Once there, make sure the plane's nose is within 10 degrees, flat your wings if needed, and then wait for the 200 mph mark.
Rude? Well, I have seen worse. But I see you using lots of lols so I assume you are not actually pissed off or anything so yeah .... :/
This is real nice ... I mean, the track.
The use of piston as the gun is very, very smart. (you have to thank the thing in the middle of the gun barrel though)
Aside from that, I'm a bit disappointed at the main gun's performance, but this will do.
@Bossman2
lol
Well yeah I just have the idea of creating a hidden propeller plane.
After I tried your plane (because it wasn't so good)
So I tried to improve it and ... here is the result
Honestly I think it looked fine. Oh yes it also had speed breaks (largely irrelevant because slow speed)
How I took your plane and not ask you? I assume that the Auto-credit should make you feel happy. I mean, you get 50% of the points earned on this plane too. Maybe not if yourself upvoted it (to stop people from farming points)
But I won't be too surprised if someone say these are two completely different aircrafts. After all, I changed the cockpit.
No I have seen better manuever ones. I make maybe a few myself.
Make the controls BIG! the tiny stabilizers at the back isn't going to make a difference on where the plane is going, and the flaps (ailerons) are too small too.
A fair balance. Too bad the landing gear ruins it.
I mean, the X rotary from Visify seem to work without a engine starter ... and my Xenodash too.
In fact most engine will work without a starter, but it will be difficult to start it (and it put a lot of stress on the parts) and the direction will be in question.
Currently, the most successful piston engine in my collection is the +-12 (3 pistons on 4 arms oriented 90 degrees apart)
Like, THE most successful.
It may generate a lot of torque, but I use them in tandeems anyway. (whether it is a traditional two-engine like Beach King or a radical one like the 335 Pfeil). Depends on rotor size they give around 10 hp to 400 hp.
The piston engine also gives this unique "pulse" of spin where the rotation speed at the limits (low and high) of the piston (the dead zone) are turned slower (because fixed piston speed)
So ...
Just go with starters, just be creative with not using a electric motor (or using hands to push-start the propeller)
@MethaManAircraft
Uh ....
I know there are pistons that behave like that ...
So they begin at, say, 30%.
But they can't go back (below 30%)
I understand what you are thinking. You are trying to orient the engine (or pistons) so the pistons don't start off at the "dead-position".
Well, for what I believe (and know), no piston engines on the planet earth works without a starter. So you may as well stick to that. (think cars and propeller planes and boats)
But as I had demonstrated before, making a engine starter is very very easy. Maybe a combo that drives a stick to push the engine a bit or whatever.
On the other hand, I have quite some success with bullet-driven propellers, but experience told me that if I want to combine that with a piston engine then things may start to fly apart very quickly
@twinscrew
Not bad ...
But next time, please base it off some different plane. Gator 2 is too far off from what a heavy lifting helicopter should look like.
@railfanethan
No you deserve it.
I am planning on doing is giving it a 10 horsepower engine so there is actually something for the railway mod
Railway bicycle ...
@Zyvx
Yes, but this is contradictory to the game's controls (AND, ppl like me that are used to fly RCs just can't get use to this)
I understand.
But as of personal interests, you can always reverse the controls.
@Technion
Looks really interesting. What if I am a mixed builder?
I mean, this just sound all too complicated.
I would rather be the kind of "free-wrench" that helps out here and there but have no affixed job or responsibility because I may, say, be away for like 6 month at a time
And also, this entire thing was mostly absent for quite some time, you know.
Once upon a time, there is a 4,200 parts build...
Ah, that land cruiser
and the system says, "there is no way you can download this and not explode your device. ago try something else".
Obviously the phones are much better now and can almost run this at double speed (double the calculation)
If it lags on double speed (but playable) you have a decent device
If it do not lag on double speed man you have heck of a device, Too fast.
If it lags and almost crashes then you have a old device (respect) in working.
@MethaManAircraft
I am really making this complicated, huh?
@BionicDragonYT
This is really good.
You remember that old wasp gun engine? well ... that don't work now.
@BACconcordepilot
lol
"Mostly White" do not point out that they are white people, the grammar don't make sense that way
Fine. I will change that to "Mostly colored white"
@Eligable
You mod the input of the control surface to say "VTOL"
If you can't mod, you can take these wings for free.
Don't thank me, cause I also take these from someone else ... :P
@asteroidbook345
Wow Air:
"It ceased operations on 28 March 2019."
lol.
Yeah, there are ones that are colored (as I pointed out, cathay pacific was one)
Yeah, no camos, but they can paint whatever color they wanted, like black on other civilian aircrafts (say, the sirius arrivée). But most choose white as the background color.
I'm saying this because a lot of aircrafts are not white, and some of them are not white because they think (white is not cool).
White IS cool.
@JamesBoA
Cars ...
That's not true. There are few green cars (and it), but you have plenty of red and blue colors. Yellow, while scarce, can also be found.
We have some golden (not true gold, lol). BRONZE (better) color paints here.
Um...
If you say that most estate cars(so not trucks or other stuff) have 5 bolts for their wheel it may be better. (small cars have less, big cars like trucks have more)
@Tangyuge
Very, very decent walking. (albeit clumsily)
Yes, definitely better than circular motors as this one is more realistic and allows infinite (truly infinite) walking
As well as reversing (while circular motors are good luck)
Can it jump? Even if it is a rocket-assisted jump it's better than nothing
@Tangyuge
Rajins are rather useless now ...
I own a Butch with 4 trebuchet (F2P get from free gold and very, very old forge and parts and crap)
As far as the modeling, I would say, it's well done.
On the walking side ... cough
It's just helplessly waving its limbs around.
None of its feet were lifted before moving, so the net force end up canceling each other, most of the time.
Decent (good) fortress mode.
@321321321123123123
Actually, I am not too sure what do you mean by "10x VTOL power"
So I build a test buggy to try it out.
I also tried other methods of propulsion, like using guns and rotators.
The guns create too many instantaneous torque that can rip the tracks, and the rotators ... well I didn't try that part.
While the 200 mph sounds unimpressive, the top speed without one is a meager 80 mph (which is nonsense too)
The huey (bears similar fuselages) on X-Plane 10, easily goes 120 KNOTS.
So to achieve this 200 mph they don't need such a powerful engine. They only need a little push.
@emprit
Remains as a experimental flying object.
I'm not saying the engine-in-wing thing is bad, but you have to think about why the propeller is there.
You should use these propellers for VTOL. I get it.
So the front two provide lift and the rear one ....
the rear one should provide pitch (nose up and down) control, which it didn't do well ...
Then you have the horizontal flying part. You have jet engines and they does the job fine.
But again, you are not controlling the pitch of your aircraft well ...
@Zyvx
why flip the yaw and roll?
This is basically nonsense
@Zyvx
I don't think you really needed infinite fuel, eh?
look at the empty weight parameter for your aircraft. lol
Eh ... something tell me that this is not the air wolf. But I didn't remember much either, so ... yeah.
this is really cool. I don't understand why is it not upvoted often ...
@RAF1
Perhaps this is the one you are looking for.
@RailFanEthan
why spotlight?
This is classic but still ...
@LiamW
Go here
@LiamW
damped rotators
Closest I can think of is a damper (suspension set to 10% strength) stuck onto a arm extended from the thing.
Yeah ...
Give me 1 second ...
@Maxim777
Since you also used two shock units stacked up, I am trying out ways to make a "soft hard suspension" like you would IRL. (such as air shocks)
It runs fine. Maybe need more horsepower, but for proof of concept this is sufficient.
I am loading this up with swingarm and double wishbone suspension...
@Maximum777
I'm not talking a curve in a road at 60mph
I know. I watch these races and I play Grand Turism myself.
Cool stuff. No I mean it. It's cool. Even though eitle don't really care about them (they care about looks)
Things under the hood don't always get noticed ...
Let's stop there, all right? Don't spam the chat.
the suspension in that game is dead on
Fair enough.
your rendition is nowhere close
lol why?
the links have to be parallel
uh ... yeah.
same length connecting ... ... ...by the ax
I'll look at pictures of 4-link suspension. Thanks for that bit ...
Sorry, but I removed your wall of text glup
I found this instead
@belugasub
No that song make my ear bleed
Uh ... Europop? If I listen to them. For more heavy metal maybe ...
I have these songs that I pulled from various places with no author ...
I don't listen to any songs most of the time. Even though the engine noice is ... for the car engine it sound like a old beetle and the propeller engine sound like it have a broken cylinder (except the WWII and the turboprop which sounds decent)
@Maximum777
Oh yeah so now you mention it ...
It also hold true for what's basically the drifting ... estate cars. If they grip well of course they will end up rolling with the cage because high center of gravity.
I drive it on mobile with physics to high. The white bars move (and I can see them move), but I can't figure out what they are all about and other stuff.
But this one's COM is real high (higher than the top of the wheel) and just for that reason, this chassis actually handled very well.
@Maximum777
Actually, Incopied thensuspension geometry from the game (the MMX Racing thingy) and I saw the sliding thingys so I used shocks for those.
It's a bit of head-scratching and yes, admit that what you said is right.
Grand prix in 1 minute for my 250 horsepower F1. (the upper part of this truck)
@LiamW
so you deemed the double arm suspension (what is it called?) is inadequate because you strapped bogies (paired wheels on links) to it.
Don't use too many bogies, though, or they will start to fight each other.
I don't know about the upvote thing, I know I count toward one of them
@LiamW
So this is one of your examples for "outlandish suspension"?
Ahhhh, I see.
Front one is basically the suspension you use in your car, with a twist.
Rear end is swing arm suspension with bogi wheels (the two wheels attached via a rod) or whatever.
Interesting. Very interesting.
@Maximum777
There is a lot of head-scratching designs that don't make any sense, and this one might be one of them.
Basically you are kind of bragging how low your center of gravity is. It is very low, I admit, so good job.
You did a good job replicating the suspension and made a absolute monster out of them.
@Maximum777
The swing arm sways left and right (extremely dangerous and ... low structural integrity?)
Part of the reason the suspension explodes when it hit anything too hard.
Generous amount of travel. And looking cool. I like that bit.
@Maximum777
This is some seriously advanced suspension there ... even though I don't understand why half of them is even there, through viewing slow motions.
So you are saying that my monster trucks (two separate links) now have a serious contender?
I don't know why would you say "decently stable". I mean, my cars seemed pretty stable. Especially the BLOK (surprisingly stable for a small one)
Addition: testing it on proving grounds.
First try: roll over. Relatively high COM (but acceptable since it's a truck)
Second try: Was going too fast and front wheel hit a flat section. See a couple springs flying out ...
Third try! climbed to the top of ... the pyramid?
Riding dirty:
Oversteer. Thought the suspension can survive a roll (roll over), but it didn't. :(
I'm thinking hard if I am to spotlight it or not.
@rossisboss12
anyone wanted to make the car smoother
I'm in.
Ah, here is the thing.
If you look at my suspension (any of them) they are capable of right (make the vehicle straight) the vehicle when there is no turning forces. Your suspension however appeared to have the unique habitat of leaning on one side.
I know it have to do with how your individual swing arms work (the rotator or anything linking them) but so far I don't know.
I am also building new 4 wheel (A.K.A. car) chassises and are learning about suspension.
You are trying to do "Long Arm Suspension". I see.
They have linked rods (rods that are not turnable in the middle)
But I was thinking how do they solve the problem (of the stress) when one wheel is higher than the other ...
@Bossman2
Yes, it is sluggish and wants to go everywhere below 125 mph, but once it reach 200 mph it goes well.
It floats. Did I not tell you that?
Basically pull as hard as you can on the pitch to get it to lift off. Once there, make sure the plane's nose is within 10 degrees, flat your wings if needed, and then wait for the 200 mph mark.
Rude? Well, I have seen worse. But I see you using lots of lols so I assume you are not actually pissed off or anything so yeah .... :/
@Dinoairplanes
Ah, the infamous (or famous) U-2.
@Dllama4
This looks sick!
This is real nice ... I mean, the track.
The use of piston as the gun is very, very smart. (you have to thank the thing in the middle of the gun barrel though)
Aside from that, I'm a bit disappointed at the main gun's performance, but this will do.
"PLS DOWNLOAD THIS!!DON'T DOWNLOAD THAT ONE BEFORE THIS!"
This just make me feel like downloading the other one because ...
why not download the other one?
If you say the other one will explode at spawn, sure.
?!
lol ...
For sideways bobbling, you can use pistons. For up and down ... yeah. shocks.
@Baby
I actually don't know but the 2-2-2 is a meme
nicely done. I am not ... I am not expecting it to be able to be done
good job
@Bossman2
lol
Well yeah I just have the idea of creating a hidden propeller plane.
After I tried your plane (because it wasn't so good)
So I tried to improve it and ... here is the result
Honestly I think it looked fine. Oh yes it also had speed breaks (largely irrelevant because slow speed)
How I took your plane and not ask you? I assume that the Auto-credit should make you feel happy. I mean, you get 50% of the points earned on this plane too. Maybe not if yourself upvoted it (to stop people from farming points)
But I won't be too surprised if someone say these are two completely different aircrafts. After all, I changed the cockpit.
Why you un-upvote it?
No I have seen better manuever ones. I make maybe a few myself.
Make the controls BIG! the tiny stabilizers at the back isn't going to make a difference on where the plane is going, and the flaps (ailerons) are too small too.
A fair balance. Too bad the landing gear ruins it.
I mean, the X rotary from Visify seem to work without a engine starter ... and my Xenodash too.
In fact most engine will work without a starter, but it will be difficult to start it (and it put a lot of stress on the parts) and the direction will be in question.
Currently, the most successful piston engine in my collection is the +-12 (3 pistons on 4 arms oriented 90 degrees apart)
Like, THE most successful.
It may generate a lot of torque, but I use them in tandeems anyway. (whether it is a traditional two-engine like Beach King or a radical one like the 335 Pfeil). Depends on rotor size they give around 10 hp to 400 hp.
The piston engine also gives this unique "pulse" of spin where the rotation speed at the limits (low and high) of the piston (the dead zone) are turned slower (because fixed piston speed)
So ...
Just go with starters, just be creative with not using a electric motor (or using hands to push-start the propeller)
@MethaManAircraft
Uh ....
I know there are pistons that behave like that ...
So they begin at, say, 30%.
But they can't go back (below 30%)
I understand what you are thinking. You are trying to orient the engine (or pistons) so the pistons don't start off at the "dead-position".
Well, for what I believe (and know), no piston engines on the planet earth works without a starter. So you may as well stick to that. (think cars and propeller planes and boats)
But as I had demonstrated before, making a engine starter is very very easy. Maybe a combo that drives a stick to push the engine a bit or whatever.
On the other hand, I have quite some success with bullet-driven propellers, but experience told me that if I want to combine that with a piston engine then things may start to fly apart very quickly
@RailfanEthan
Maybe.
But I think I uploaded as public so that my laptop can download it without too much fuss.
@RailfanEthan
Wait why is this thing visible to everyone?
It also wasn't a successor because I swapped cockpits... suck
I do need to thank you for the gauges. (some other ppl made them but I can't find)
@twinscrew
Not bad ...
But next time, please base it off some different plane. Gator 2 is too far off from what a heavy lifting helicopter should look like.
@railfanethan
No you deserve it.
I am planning on doing is giving it a 10 horsepower engine so there is actually something for the railway mod
Railway bicycle ...
@RailfanEthan
I need a 500 part or less build
Care to find one?
@Zyvx
Yes, but this is contradictory to the game's controls (AND, ppl like me that are used to fly RCs just can't get use to this)
I understand.
But as of personal interests, you can always reverse the controls.
Ultimate ... cop car.
Or detective's ride. Or a secret agent.
Why inverted control of pitch and yaw?