@XM803ENJOYER46 Quite frankly, the vaccine debate doesn't matter right now. Party lines don't even matter right now. It's not red versus blue, black versus white, straight versus [insert alternative of choice here], religious versus atheist versus whatever else. The game has changed.
If someone can live and work with people who believe and vote differently from them - or, at the very least, not wish harm upon them - then that person is our ally. This isn't about whether someone agreed with Charlie or not, or what side of the political aisle they're on, or whether they got the vaccine or not. This is about the fundamental distinction over whether someone wants to debate and compete against their enemies about how to best seek the well-being of their civilization, or whether they prefer to have their enemies assassinated in order to get their way.
The old lines will return in time, I have no doubt of that. But for now, the game has changed, and everyone - whether they like it or not - is going to have to change with it.
And to Mr. @Graingy, because I know you'll most likely read this as well, I will unblock you in a few days (i.e. when the site lets me) once you've had the chance to cool down. I do not wish to silence you or prohibit discussion (though said discussion is better held somewhere other than here, for obvious reasons), but your jubilant support of murder and, as you carefully avoided terming it, a genocide of the people you so vehemently disagree with is simply not something which I will tolerate in the limited space that I have control over. Know that your hatred is not mutual, and I hope that you are willing to sit down and talk at some point.
If you're interested in having an open, non-antagonistic 2-way discussion, let me know. I can send you my Discord contact information if you would prefer to have it in private. I don't seek to fight you, just to have a genuine conversation about why we each believe the things that we do.
If you're not interested, or if you would plan to use such channels (and/or further communications on this site) for continued aggression, threats, and general outpourings of hatred, or to turn it into some kind of competition instead of having an open conversation, save yourself the energy. Pretend you're a B-52 pilot, shut down a couple of engines, get up out of your seat, stretch your legs, and go make a sandwich or something. You'll feel better afterwards, and we don't ever have to exchange words again.
Let me know which option you would prefer.
@XM803ENJOYER46
Unfortunately, you've discovered one of the biggest problems with social media (which, let's be honest, this site basically is at this point): the ability to just shout emotions into the void and remain comfortably anonymous, and to conveniently shut up anyone who doesn't echo you, if you so choose. There's nothing to say how genuine someone is or isn't being, and as such everything gets taken at face value. Like, for instance, how we now see that a certain someone would apparently be perfectly happy - overjoyed, even - if you, I, and half of the country were found dead in the street tomorrow morning for any of the relevant reasons which may apply to either of us.
That's very blunt, even for me, but I think you'll find that it's not inaccurate, at least as far as we'll ever know. I certainly hope it's not true, but unfortunately it's the way that the individual in question has chosen to express themselves, and that's all we get to go off of.
Let me be clear. Words are not violence. They can incite it, as we have seen all too well in the past several years in particular, but that's not the same thing. Sadly, though, violence is increasingly chosen as an alternative to words. There is no honor, no morality, no justification for that decision. It is born out of pure hatred and the vile, wicked belief that simply eliminating the person responsible instead of addressing and arguing with their words like a human being - as Charlie dedicated his life to doing - is somehow an acceptable alternative. The goal of such violence is not to bring about resolution, but to intimidate the opponent into silence for fear of their own lives.
The trap we (everyone, on all sides of the aisle) must avoid above all else is the temptation to respond in kind. Anger is understandable - expected, even - but we must take care not to let that anger blind us. Just as murder cannot lead to resolution, vengeance cannot lead to justice - not to mention that it would prove them right. We as humans have been given the gifts of reasoning, intellectual discussion, and understanding among and between one another, and abandoning these gifts for the trap of blind wrath makes us no better than mere animals. Do not repay evil with evil; vengeance is not ours to exact. Think, speak, and act accordingly, even when the same is not returned to you.
@Graingy Nah, don't worry about it. It's an old joke a buddy of mine told me after his stint in the National Guard ended. You ever heard the one with the pair of Stratofortress engines? It's quite similar to that, but a little less direct. I'd explain it, but it wouldn't be funny anymore.
Do try and keep better track of who's who in the future, though. That sort of confusion is a bad habit to get into, and there's a lot of foolish and fruitless things that can come about as a result.
@Graingy Hm, I'll keep an eye out for that. Apology accepted.
Anyway fear not, I'm not going to do the "copy-the-sand-guy's-pfp-thing-to-look-cool-or-whatever" bit; this other idea I've got is way funnier and a lot less petty. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually ;)
@Graingy What, or whom, exactly have I defended, and where have I done so? Please be specific, no faffing about what I "might" or "can" do. You can even quote me, if you'd like.
@Graingy Ooh, that's a good idea. Y'know, I do have a rather unfortunate tendency to be petty. Out of curiosity, can you point me to what I've said that strictly goes against your (collective, apparently??*) views?
*can you also explain this? are there multiple people running the account or are you representing a bunch of different users or what? I'm a little confused...
@Graingy You're right, it's way more palatable for you when you say it that way.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have the opportunity to do something really funny and I'm going to need a bit to decide whether or not to do it.
yoooooo
edit: if it's just Thor with him then it might not be, there's usually more than two of them at a time on recording. Guess we'll wait and see. Good spotting regardless, though!
@Graingy And here I thought this was SimplePlanes, not a news website. All I was looking for was one word.
In any case, thank you for clarifying and I'm sorry to hear that you think your hatred is mutual.
Move the wings lower. Generally, the position of the wings that you currently have would be more suitable for a twin-engine aircraft (the DH Mosquito or the P-38, for instance); the vast majority of single-engine fighters and attack aircraft had the wings mounted below the fuselage centerline, often all the way at the bottom of the fuselage. This is true for not just WWII but also well into the Cold War and the early jet era (e.g. the Century series or the F-4 Phantom II).
I'd also suggest making the tip tanks a bit smaller, but that's up to you.
Yeah, community accounts are not good. They have been tried before, and the results have always been the same: someone gets in there and posts something bad, and then nobody knows who it was because nobody knows who is in the account at any given time, so it just gets deleted anyway.
In SP1, missiles can be prematurely detonated (i.e. intercepted or shot down) with guns or cannons, but you have to have good aim because there's no way to lock them.
As for SP2, all I'm allowed to disclose is whatever's been in Dorian's showcases, so I'd recommend checking there. I don't recall anything being said one way or the other on it, though.
@StockPlanesRemastered That's a nice argument, senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?
(seriously please do, I can't find anything about this online lol)
It's not even a SP-specific thing, Honda is just really touchy about anyone else using any part whatsoever of their star airplane. FlightGear was one of the first to run into this, and that was over a decade ago at least.
sounds like maybe you shouldn't have broken your phone in the first place
you can't be upset at your sister for wiping the phone after you gave it to her so that you could buy a new one
It's a community meme that started with this build, which got upvoted into space for... some reason. This then spawned a whole trend of "German _" from people trying to achieve the same level of absurdity. I have no idea why the original was named that, but that's where it comes from.
kids at school actually having to pay attention and interact with their teachers and each other instead of staring at their magic light bricks all day? truly tragic...
FACT: Videogames are meant to be played for fun.
FACT: In many cases, fun is subjective.
EXTRAPOLATION: If you are having fun playing a videogame, and your fun does not prevent someone else from having fun, this is OK.
CONCLUSION: Build whatever and however you want. If people like it, great! If not, you still had fun making it.
Edit: Also, the guy who left that comment would like me to let you know that he wants to apologize and clarify what he meant, because it sounds like whatever was said came off a lot more harshly than was intended.
yooo fellow rolling line enjoyer
Yeah I've seen those on the workshop too (posted by steam username Shipwrecked, dunno if they have a SP website account or not but if so it's under a different name). They even state in the descriptions that they were built in SP, no surprise there.
(honestly it's not that great to do because the SP exporter keeps all of the internal geometry that Rolling Line doesn't need, so the mesh optimization is kinda bad, but eh)
@XM803ENJOYER46 I think you may have missed my point.
@XM803ENJOYER46 Quite frankly, the vaccine debate doesn't matter right now. Party lines don't even matter right now. It's not red versus blue, black versus white, straight versus [insert alternative of choice here], religious versus atheist versus whatever else. The game has changed.
If someone can live and work with people who believe and vote differently from them - or, at the very least, not wish harm upon them - then that person is our ally. This isn't about whether someone agreed with Charlie or not, or what side of the political aisle they're on, or whether they got the vaccine or not. This is about the fundamental distinction over whether someone wants to debate and compete against their enemies about how to best seek the well-being of their civilization, or whether they prefer to have their enemies assassinated in order to get their way.
The old lines will return in time, I have no doubt of that. But for now, the game has changed, and everyone - whether they like it or not - is going to have to change with it.
But that's enough for this site.
And to Mr. @Graingy, because I know you'll most likely read this as well, I will unblock you in a few days (i.e. when the site lets me) once you've had the chance to cool down. I do not wish to silence you or prohibit discussion (though said discussion is better held somewhere other than here, for obvious reasons), but your jubilant support of murder and, as you carefully avoided terming it, a genocide of the people you so vehemently disagree with is simply not something which I will tolerate in the limited space that I have control over. Know that your hatred is not mutual, and I hope that you are willing to sit down and talk at some point.
If you're interested in having an open, non-antagonistic 2-way discussion, let me know. I can send you my Discord contact information if you would prefer to have it in private. I don't seek to fight you, just to have a genuine conversation about why we each believe the things that we do.
+1If you're not interested, or if you would plan to use such channels (and/or further communications on this site) for continued aggression, threats, and general outpourings of hatred, or to turn it into some kind of competition instead of having an open conversation, save yourself the energy. Pretend you're a B-52 pilot, shut down a couple of engines, get up out of your seat, stretch your legs, and go make a sandwich or something. You'll feel better afterwards, and we don't ever have to exchange words again.
Let me know which option you would prefer.
@XM803ENJOYER46
+1Unfortunately, you've discovered one of the biggest problems with social media (which, let's be honest, this site basically is at this point): the ability to just shout emotions into the void and remain comfortably anonymous, and to conveniently shut up anyone who doesn't echo you, if you so choose. There's nothing to say how genuine someone is or isn't being, and as such everything gets taken at face value. Like, for instance, how we now see that a certain someone would apparently be perfectly happy - overjoyed, even - if you, I, and half of the country were found dead in the street tomorrow morning for any of the relevant reasons which may apply to either of us.
That's very blunt, even for me, but I think you'll find that it's not inaccurate, at least as far as we'll ever know. I certainly hope it's not true, but unfortunately it's the way that the individual in question has chosen to express themselves, and that's all we get to go off of.
Let me be clear. Words are not violence. They can incite it, as we have seen all too well in the past several years in particular, but that's not the same thing. Sadly, though, violence is increasingly chosen as an alternative to words. There is no honor, no morality, no justification for that decision. It is born out of pure hatred and the vile, wicked belief that simply eliminating the person responsible instead of addressing and arguing with their words like a human being - as Charlie dedicated his life to doing - is somehow an acceptable alternative. The goal of such violence is not to bring about resolution, but to intimidate the opponent into silence for fear of their own lives.
The trap we (everyone, on all sides of the aisle) must avoid above all else is the temptation to respond in kind. Anger is understandable - expected, even - but we must take care not to let that anger blind us. Just as murder cannot lead to resolution, vengeance cannot lead to justice - not to mention that it would prove them right. We as humans have been given the gifts of reasoning, intellectual discussion, and understanding among and between one another, and abandoning these gifts for the trap of blind wrath makes us no better than mere animals. Do not repay evil with evil; vengeance is not ours to exact. Think, speak, and act accordingly, even when the same is not returned to you.
Don't forget the K-M ML4000 (and its even more cursed camera car modification)!
+2@Graingy Nah, don't worry about it. It's an old joke a buddy of mine told me after his stint in the National Guard ended. You ever heard the one with the pair of Stratofortress engines? It's quite similar to that, but a little less direct. I'd explain it, but it wouldn't be funny anymore.
+1Do try and keep better track of who's who in the future, though. That sort of confusion is a bad habit to get into, and there's a lot of foolish and fruitless things that can come about as a result.
@Graingy Hm, I'll keep an eye out for that. Apology accepted.
Anyway fear not, I'm not going to do the "copy-the-sand-guy's-pfp-thing-to-look-cool-or-whatever" bit; this other idea I've got is way funnier and a lot less petty. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually ;)
@Graingy You can still go to my comments page, things don't get removed from there when a post is deleted :)
@Graingy What, or whom, exactly have I defended, and where have I done so? Please be specific, no faffing about what I "might" or "can" do. You can even quote me, if you'd like.
@Graingy Ooh, that's a good idea. Y'know, I do have a rather unfortunate tendency to be petty. Out of curiosity, can you point me to what I've said that strictly goes against your (collective, apparently??*) views?
*can you also explain this? are there multiple people running the account or are you representing a bunch of different users or what? I'm a little confused...
@BOSSentinel lol rip
@Graingy You're right, it's way more palatable for you when you say it that way.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have the opportunity to do something really funny and I'm going to need a bit to decide whether or not to do it.
yoooooo
edit: if it's just Thor with him then it might not be, there's usually more than two of them at a time on recording. Guess we'll wait and see. Good spotting regardless, though!
It still boggles my mind that keypads are something that can be done in SP.
@Graingy And here I thought this was SimplePlanes, not a news website. All I was looking for was one word.
In any case, thank you for clarifying and I'm sorry to hear that you think your hatred is mutual.
AI 🤢
+2Move the wings lower. Generally, the position of the wings that you currently have would be more suitable for a twin-engine aircraft (the DH Mosquito or the P-38, for instance); the vast majority of single-engine fighters and attack aircraft had the wings mounted below the fuselage centerline, often all the way at the bottom of the fuselage. This is true for not just WWII but also well into the Cold War and the early jet era (e.g. the Century series or the F-4 Phantom II).
I'd also suggest making the tip tanks a bit smaller, but that's up to you.
Not sure on mods, but you should be able to copy the aircraft URL from the website and then hit Ctrl+L in the designer to download it there.
+4Yeah, community accounts are not good. They have been tried before, and the results have always been the same: someone gets in there and posts something bad, and then nobody knows who it was because nobody knows who is in the account at any given time, so it just gets deleted anyway.
+1In SP1, missiles can be prematurely detonated (i.e. intercepted or shot down) with guns or cannons, but you have to have good aim because there's no way to lock them.
+2As for SP2, all I'm allowed to disclose is whatever's been in Dorian's showcases, so I'd recommend checking there. I don't recall anything being said one way or the other on it, though.
@StockPlanesRemastered That's a nice argument, senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?
+2(seriously please do, I can't find anything about this online lol)
Elaborate, if you would.
+1They're building a whole new kind of phone to run the game, it's called the Jphone. Comes with SP2 preinstalled but you have to buy the phone.
+7Expensive
ooo wee ooo
https://xkcd.com/927/
+1Because it's pi, not pie.
It's not even a SP-specific thing, Honda is just really touchy about anyone else using any part whatsoever of their star airplane. FlightGear was one of the first to run into this, and that was over a decade ago at least.
+3sand lore
+2sounds like maybe you shouldn't have broken your phone in the first place
you can't be upset at your sister for wiping the phone after you gave it to her so that you could buy a new one
@Graingy precisely like that yes
+1woo!
+4Rick Astley
+1It's a community meme that started with this build, which got upvoted into space for... some reason. This then spawned a whole trend of "German _" from people trying to achieve the same level of absurdity. I have no idea why the original was named that, but that's where it comes from.
@NTH Good thing literally every single staff member still has either a phone or a radio in case of emergencies.
+1kids at school actually having to pay attention and interact with their teachers and each other instead of staring at their magic light bricks all day? truly tragic...
+1This site had better not turn into a social media platform, at least not any more than it already has.
+1sounds like it's working as intended based on the name
insanity is in fact being formed
everything in sp is stop motion if your frame rate is low enough
+12FACT: Videogames are meant to be played for fun.
FACT: In many cases, fun is subjective.
EXTRAPOLATION: If you are having fun playing a videogame, and your fun does not prevent someone else from having fun, this is OK.
CONCLUSION: Build whatever and however you want. If people like it, great! If not, you still had fun making it.
Edit: Also, the guy who left that comment would like me to let you know that he wants to apologize and clarify what he meant, because it sounds like whatever was said came off a lot more harshly than was intended.
+1hap birtd
sounds like you'd better get started then
+1bet
@Boeing727200F nah that's just a quirk of rolling line, all the mesh files need to be, like, the size of actual model trains (i.e. very little)
yooo fellow rolling line enjoyer
+1Yeah I've seen those on the workshop too (posted by steam username Shipwrecked, dunno if they have a SP website account or not but if so it's under a different name). They even state in the descriptions that they were built in SP, no surprise there.
(honestly it's not that great to do because the SP exporter keeps all of the internal geometry that Rolling Line doesn't need, so the mesh optimization is kinda bad, but eh)
congratulations on another trip around the sun!
+1one of the crashouts of all time
+4@TateNT34 Awesome!
aggressive avian